Cruise’s confessional betrayal and John Sweeney

DM's attack dog Tommy Two Tone working on John Sweeney

The post of two nights ago regarding Miscavige betraying Tom Cruise’s confessions has gone viral.  News media have contacted me from several countries asking for interviews. I will tell you what I told them.  I am doing no interviews on the subject until the BBC Panorama investigation has aired.  It is BBC’s exclusive as far as I am concerned. The reason is that Panorama’s John Sweeney actually connected the dots on all this. Sweeney can investigate,  folks. Why do you think DM worked so hard utilizing reverse Scientology tactics to make him snap?  Do you realize the crux of  Sweeney’s 2007 investigation was evidence that Miscavige beat people on a regular basis?  The effort and money that Miscavige devotes to discrediting Sweeney is directly  proportional to the investigative skills and persistence of Sweeney.  Stayed tuned.

190 responses to “Cruise’s confessional betrayal and John Sweeney

  1. Hopefully Tom’s attorney is reading this and if he cares about his client whatsoever, he needs to clue him on the monster Tom is suppporting before he looses all credibility and respect and further damages his career. This is not a game and the stuff DM has been doing is very real and can only be covered up for so long (too many have come forward and more to come). Tom knows the Dr. Jekyll side of DM with the Mr. Hyde side carefully concealed.

  2. Mark Rathbun, Thy effectively cut of the suply of new artists getting bamboozeled by the C of M. Great show Sir !

  3. // May 10, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Reply
    Jeff said:

    “”I have to agree with Lady Lancelot. I don’t think removing Miscavige will magically solve all of the Church’s problems. What’s to prevent another sociopath (like, for instance, Jenny Linson) from taking over and continuing all of the abuse? There’s a structure and an operating basis that allowed someone like Miscavige to take over. If anyone is serious about reform, IMHO, there needs to be a real hard look at those factors. And certainly having a heavily authoritarian, paramilitary, top-down organization like the SO doesn’t help. It’s like having a military dictatorship as your form of government and then hoping somehow for a better dictator.”

    Wise words, and ones I completely agree with!

  4. Theo Sismanides

    Μarty and all,

    I run into the link below about the opening of the new church of Miscavige in Brussels:

    I am publishing part of the link because it is interesting to see political leaders appearing now officially and getting together with the C of M.

    Start of publication:
    New Branch of Churches of Scientology for Europe Opens in Brussels

    Nearly 1,000 Scientologists and their guests from across Europe attended the dedication of the Brussels branch of the Churches of Scientology for Europe on Saturday.

    “This new Church in the capital city of Europe stands as a beautiful testament to your help, and you can be certain of my continued support. You care for people, and this Church is such an example of this attitude.”
    Brussels (PRWEB) January 27, 2010 — A representative of Church of Scientology International, the Mother Church of the Scientology religion, officiated at the ceremony held in the early-20th-century historic structure at Boulevard de Waterloo 100-103.

    Presiding was the Reverend Robert Adams of the Los Angeles-based Church of Scientology International. In welcoming the parishioners, staff and guests from more than a dozen countries, he introduced the new Brussels branch as “an international Church for an international city, dedicated to helping all the people of Europe.”

    Rev. Adams called the opening the “beginning of a new era for Scientology parishioners and all residents of Belgium and Europe. You are always welcome in our Churches, and we invite you to participate with us as we serve the larger community with effective solutions to uplift the visible decay of the society in which we live.”

    Distinguished guest speakers participating in the dedication of the new Church were the Honorable Hugo Coveliers, Senator in the Belgian Parliament; Professor Abolfazl Beheshti, Professor of International Relations and Energy Economy at the University of Lille, France; The Honorable Juan Ferreiro, Spain’s Deputy Minister of Interior for Churches; Ms. Katalin Szomor, expert member of the Drugs Commission of the Hungarian Parliament and former national drug coordinator; and the Reverend Christopher Vonck, Rector of the Faculty for Comparative Study of Religions at the University of Antwerp.

    In his address to the Scientologists and guests, Senator Coveliers said, “This new Church in the capital city of Europe stands as a beautiful testament to your help, and you can be certain of my continued support. You care for people, and this Church is such an example of this attitude.”

    The new Church in Brussels has undergone extensive renovation not only to accommodate all Scientology religious services but also as a home for the community services provided through the many activities and humanitarian programs of Church members.

    End of excerpt from the publication.

    It is interesting to see the corrupt (in most cases) political leaders now supporting the C of M.

    This is a big outpoint. They are not fighting the C of M anymore because it is not Scientology anymore.

    They appear next to C of M officials. They talk in favor of C of M and its new buildings. They welcome the C of M as it is now their organization.

    Let’s not be reasonable, there is an agenda to promote C of M. We are now attacking it and they are endorsing it. If this isn’t crazy what is.

    So bare in mind that soon we are all going to called to form some type of organization and do some bigger actions. The suppressives are moving on. The planet is going down. And the Tech now has become Ideal Orgs and good boys and girls.

    Responsibility is rising for all as the game of the suppressives is escalating in enslaving man.

    I run into Confessions of an Economic Hitman a film by a greek reporter on John Perkins an ex-economic hitman describing how the vested interests, the banks and the governements of the strong take over countries just by economic and financial duress and tricks. it’s a must.

    • martyrathbun09

      Theo, I highly recommend the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman. DM has sold out big time and turned the C of S into a criminal economic vehicle.

      • SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE By Eustace Mullins is also a great read. Eustace was one of the originals to really research and expose this banking nonsense.

        Theo I too take it as a bad sign that the “church” is being embraced by this cast of characters.

        Old fistfull of dollars Miscavige;

        Thinks he knows who his friends are, or at least has a pretty good idea what they might cost.

        This from the Daily Mail regarding the City of London opening;
        Daily Mail can reveal, officers have accepted at least nine offers of formal hospitality. They include a trip for two constables and a sergeant to the premiere of Mission Impossible 3 in London’s Leicester Square earlier this year.

        The film’s star, Tom Cruise, was present at the screening although it is unclear whether the City trio met the Hollywood actor.

        Six months later, a further four officers attended a lavish charity dinner at the scientologists’ British base in East Grinstead, East Sussex. They included Chief Superintendent Ken Stewart, a Special Branch detective, a constable and a detective constable.

        Again, Cruise was present and he and his fellow diners feasted on foie gras, Aberdeen Angus beef and a dessert of chocolate, passion fruit and papaya tart.

        The price per head that evening started at £500 and went up to £1,500 for VIP guests, who were able to sit near Cruise.

        Three days later, another four officers – including two sergeants – enjoyed a ‘Jive Aces’ concert, courtesy of the church.

        The same band, who music industry sources say can charge up to £5,000 a night, had previously given their services free to a concert at Bishopsgate police station for a fund raising event.

        Brussels probably cost a bit less in bribes than COL which is top of the heap banking territory.

        As a matter of fact Miscavige probably really wanted to be a banker when he grew up. He seems made for the job, haha.

        Anyway, again it’s what your donations buy, $2,000 plates next to TC.

  5. I am not a scientologist nor apart of the group anonymous, but rather an individual who has been following the disturbing practices of scientology for the past 4 years or so. I understand independent scientologists are standing up against the abuses of DM, however, I am confused if they are also rallying against the process of disconnection; fair game and the bait and switch tech. that initially brings people into scientology? What exactly are you attempting to reform? Nevertheless, Marty, I appreciate the fact that you’re speaking out against DM, I understand that it is not a very easy thing to do…as an aside, I hope you can now sympathise with what Mr. Minton was attempting to do more than a decade ago…I wish he was around to lend his support. It would be nice if in the future you can do a piece on Mr. Minton in your blog. A lot of us are really confused about what actually happened between Bob and the church. If you could shed some light from your perspective, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again Marty and keep doing what your doing!!

    • Tsimento,

      I only posted to this blog yesterday for the first time and my view may not fit the bulk of the people here, but it may.

      A few years ago I was on the Dianetics Book and Lecture Crse and one of the last questions on the course was something like, Why should people be Clear before they are allowed to vote? My answer was, “Being Clear or not should never restrict a person from voting. I disagree with LRH.”

      The course supervisor questioned me on my answer and I said, “This is LRH’s personal view and has nothing to do with Scientology Tech. I do not agree with him on this one.” I was a little shocked when the Supervisor told me I can have my own viewpoint.

      I do not agree with disconnection at all. However, if a person is receiving auditing and they are in constant communication with someone giving them a hard time about auditing or what they are doing, that individual would be best served if they just stayed away from them until they were done.

      The ideal way would be to handle it though with some good old communication.

      Fair game should have never been in place and bait and switch is against the law of the land. It does not need to be done anyway if you are getting the results this tech can give when used correctly.

      One of the first things I ever read by LRH was you do not have to believe everything I say. What is true for you is true for you. To pharaphase. I take his statements to heart and do not feel like I have to agree with everything he has written. This allows me to really evaluate data better anyway.

      O wn my own business and have for several years. The Admin Policy of LRH is mostly common business sense. But, like any policy, LRH or otherwise, you need to be able to think with it, otherwise you are a robot and that would have led me to bankruptcy years ago.

      • “A few years ago I was on the Dianetics Book and Lecture Crse and one of the last questions on the course was something like, Why should people be Clear before they are allowed to vote?”

        Oh my fucking Lord!

        Are those people out of their fucking minds?

        Just Me

      • To add a little more on your questions.

        While I was finding out all that I could about Marty I ran into a story of one thing that happened at CC Int.

        Some guy there on course was mad at his girlfriend and smashed in her car windows in the parking lot at CC. Security did not know what to do with this and it got on Marty’s plate immediately. Marty’s reply to the guards was, call the cops and have him arrested.

        The guards questioned Marty about doing that and Marty’s reply was, “just because he is here on course does not give him the right to abuse his girlfriend and break the law.”

        This was how the story was relayed to me and only Marty can verify.

        The people I got this from are not on Marty’s side on C of M, but simply told me what they knew of Marty first hand.

        From that story, if true, I would say it more than just me that feels and knows there is a basic right to things and a basic wrong. Common Sense.

      • I apologize for losing it just now. I don’t usually do that — didn’t even read past Self A Ware’s second paragraph before exploding.

        This attitude that “only we Scientologists” should have civil rights is … truly unspeakable. If anything ought to get the Church of Scientology outlawed in every democratic country in the world, it is THAT checksheet.

        That makes me angrier than anything I have heard of in a long time. And I am not easily or often pissed.

        I hate to sound like a broken record … but I REALLY had no idea this is what Scientology had turned into.

        Again, I am outraged!

        Just Me

      • OK, last post.

        I realize that the concept of reserving civil rights only to clears and above is NOT Scientology — except it will be perceived that way unless it gets made very, very clear on a broad, broad basis to the world that this is NOT Scientology.


        Just Me

      • Just Me,

        I know what you mean. Looking back at that day, when I turned in my answer sheet I was totally ready for that to be my last day and be declared.

        I am so sorry to say, that is where it has gone.

      • Just Me,
        The revelations on this blog and a couple of others really test the patience. Thanks for coming back to explain. Cheers mate.

      • Hello Self Aware,

        This is one more example of how LRH has been rewritten and taken out of context to manipulate the creation of a homogenized, pasteurized, obedient, slavedom.

        The truth is realy so simple. I mean, how about applying KSW pure and simply this way: let’s train and audit.

        KSW: Move up the bridge!

        Disconnection: I think it’s pretty universal than any person welcomes the idea that they can disconnect from someone who is *really truly for real* a major source of suppression, oppression and bad joooos?!

        In some local speak, it’s called : not having to take this sh*t!! :)

        The purpose of the concept of disconnection in Scientology or anywhere else is not and never was *police enforcement*! It’s the common sense friendship of support in helping an individual’s personal choice to what and who they want in one’s space! It’s HANDLE, or disconnect.

        Why so many failures to *handle*?

        Chronological evolution of Scientology is highly relevant, too. LRH policies in the 80s modify, revise and expand on PTS handling. They are evolution from research and experience on the matter.

        I’m looking at HCOB 10 September 1983, LRH about finding a Scientologist who is PTS to a family member:

        he does not recommend that the person disconnect from the antagonistic source.

        (yes, “not” is underlined)

        Furthermore, the hijacked Scientology “Church” is applying disconnection as control and punishment, not as the technology to provide relief and assistance.

        It’s too much to go into here, but as I read the HCOBs on PTSness and Disconnection from the 80s, I see something in *every paragraph* that the Miscavology “Church” has twisted and is misapplying for warped personal agenda, i.e., not toward the end of understanding and relief and *expansion* for all involved.

        let’s start with basics…what does a *winning* person LOOK like? And if someone is not *winning* what in HELL is going on?!

        KSW is about one thing: Moving up and through the bridge. all other tech and policy supports that.

        Thank you all who are KSW!

        It has *never* been more clear to me what the following description (from the same HCOB) looks like, when one encounters “a situation where someone is factually connected to a Suppressive person in present Time. It defines a Suppressive Person:

        This is a person whose normal operating basis is one of making others smaller, less able, less powerful.

        In truth, an SP is absolutely, completely terrified of anyone becoming more powerful.

        Hmm, someone with a *normal operating basis*. Let’s see…

        well, du-uh…do people delivering standard tech getting bright products fit this description? Do people do better than ever have a PTS sit?

        Do people who want to apply Scientology in peace, toward the purpose which it was created fit this description?

        I don’t think so.

        Does a little tyrant who runs operation Creep Outs. lies publicly, and chips at the foundation of freedom starting with alter-is of OT TR O and hijacking LRH anywhere come close to maybe being terrified of free beings?

        He’ll never question it himself, not a bit. But isn’t that one of the indicators?

        And what are the fruits of his labor (camp)? What’s left to gold leaf, David Miscavige? Your toilet seats?

      • Just Me, oh, I DO like you.

    • Tsimento,

      Almost everyone here has been badly affected in some way by disconnection and fair gaming. Of all the things DM has done, this is likely the most detested of all. No-one can speak to someone else, so I can’t tell you what they are all thinking. But I can tell you that there is huge support here for the idea of chucking out disconnection totally.

      In it’s place there should be understanding and communication, as well as personal choice – you should always have the right to stop associating with someone if you really don’t like them. And no-one else has the right to order you to do that on a trumped up charge or for simply speaking their mind.

      Bait and switch has never been a part of what Scientology is about. You have a right to get true up-front answers to your questions.

      I can’t comment on Bob Minton – I wasn’t there.

      • Self Aware, thanks for your response; I am happy that you were able and encouraged to express your differing opinion about LRH. From what I gather – and this is what I read and hear in interviews from ex-scientologists – is that the initial courses are quite helpful and can be applied to everyday life to help the individual. The problem arises after you have reached the state of clear and begin with the OT phases that things begin to become blurry and the ‘essence’ of what scientology is, begins to change. Jason Beghe says there’s no such thing as ‘clear,’ in his interview…he claims LRH kept changing standards for clear every year (now I’m paraphrasing but if you haven’t checked out his interview it’s on youtube).

        Splog, of course, people have the right to choose who they should and shouldn’t speak to…I agree with you there! Bait and Switch is exactly what Scientology is about (I’m sorry if I offend anyone here), they tell you one thing when you begin and then it goes in a completely different direction when you become OT. I do respect everyone’s rights to believe in whatever they choose to, however, if someone chooses to believe in Scientology, they should be made aware of everything before they get taken.

      • Tisimento,

        I can only speak for myself, but for me the State of Clear is very real. The OT levels when allowed to do correctly and without invalidation and sec checking non stop are beyond wonderful.

        I do not know Jason’s full story but if he was subjected to things that stop auditing, I do not doubt he would feel Clear is not real.

        Would I go through again what I have been through to reach Clear? Yes I would. It is that real for me.

        However, am I willing to take responsibility and do all I can to remove DM so others do not have to go through the same things to go Clear, yes.

        What I have seen with myself and many friends after they attest to Clear; their inate abilities come out more and if they are creative in the arts that expands further.

        However, per LRH, a Cleared canabil is still a cleared canabil.

        There are some OT VIII’s I would not hire to carry my dirty socks because they just can’t seem to ever get any job done.

        They may feel very well while being inept, but they are inept none the less.

        As discussed a few days ago here, there is a problem with how OT IV runs for many people. I could not believe it when Marty brought that up, but it is real. I thought I was the only one that ever looked at the number of people on IV or completed that did not immediately start V that went criminal or became deathly ill.

        The problem is the little pee wee one that is altering a very usable technology.

      • Tsimento,

        “Bait and Switch” is what the current Church of Scientology (the C of M) is all about. It’s *not* what Scientology is about. Not at all.

  6. Theo Sismanides

    And now I am looking into the new Ideal Org that opened in Quebec.

    You can see the link above.

    What I looked for is who was there to speak on behalf of the politicians who are now endorsing Scientology.

    Well, you can see the link and see for yourselves.

    Dignitaries participating in the dedication of the new Church included the Honorable Alvin Curling, former Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario and now Senior Fellow at the Center for International Governance for Innovation;

    CIGI, if you look at the website of CIGI, it’s preparing the G 20 summit which is going to take place in Canada.

    And what do the G20 do. They prepare a Global Government.

    Here is just one sample of a publication endorsed on the site.

    The G20: A Work in Progress for Global Governance?
    Andrew F. Cooper
    WEDNESDAY, JUNE 17, 2009
    The G20 leaders’ format appears to be an ascendant form of summitry. Acting as an economic crisis committee, the G20 has served an important symbolic function, sending a clear message that leaders of an extended group of states across the North-South divide recognize the gravity of the fallout from the financial shocks. It also provides significant instrumental value with its extended plan of action in a host of technical areas. Viewed through this positive lens, it is easy to suggest that the G20 summit constitutes a mechanism ready to seize the moment, turning a structural dilemma into institutional innovation and creative initiatives. The initial November 2008 meeting in Washington, the momentum built through the second gathering in London in early-April 2009, and the announcement of a third session in Pittsburgh in late-September 2009, have sent a sharp message that world leaders prefer hanging together through collective efforts than hanging separately through instinctive but short-sighted unilateral efforts.

    So, this man, the “Honorable” (????) Alvin Curling, former Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario and now Senior Fellow at the Center for International Governance for Innovation is part of an institution that prepares the ground for G20, the Globalists.

    And here is what he says about the C of M or better our Scientology because enough with the C of M. It is our Scientology.

    In his address, Mr. Curling said, “Let this new home for the Church of Scientology in Quebec be a beacon to all men and women of goodwill – a place where they will always be welcome to work together in helping this world. Bringing together people of goodwill is a hallmark of the Church of Scientology, which is why I celebrate this new Church with you today.”

    People of goodwill, obedient citizens and parishioners built for the future. Of course this very innovative institution can see the trends and can see that Scientology is going to be the religion of the future, whereas Catholicism and the other religions are going down.

    Other guests:

    the Honorable Pamela Appelt, a judge in the Court of Canadian Citizenship and a patron of the International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development; and Mr. Alan Stein, noted religious freedom and human rights attorney and professor of law.

    But anyway, here is a title and brief description of a book published by CIGI

    Afghanistan: Transition Under Threat
    Mark Sedra and Geoff Hayes
    By the fall of 2008, seven years after the fall of the Taliban regime, the future of Afghanistan’s post-conflict transition looks more uncertain than ever. Driving this uncertainty is a security environment that has steadily deteriorated with each passing year, creating a level of instability even greater than in Iraq, according to some indicators. However, insecurity is not the only dilemma that has threatened to undercut Afghanistan’s transition to peace and stability. Problems of corruption and poor service delivery in the state coupled with the failure of the internationally supported reconstruction process to improve the quality of life for so many Afghans trapped in grinding poverty has begun to erode public confidence in the new political order.

    It’s exactly what I saw today in Confessions of an Economic Hitman, how they take over countries and then rebuild them.

    And this is the organization where the Honorable Speaker Alvin Curling works, who stated at the opening of the Ideal Org of Quebec

    Let this new home for the Church of Scientology in Quebec be a beacon to all men and women of goodwill – a place where they will always be welcome to work together in helping this world…

    To all of us who have worked straight with LRH or not, but definitely for him.

    I consider it urgent to do things towards this direction, of investigation of who is supporting the Ideal Orgs and who is appearing there on behalf of “Honorary personae”. I am sure that soon we will be able to pull some strings.

  7. Newcomers for more data on divorce and treatment of Children check out the latest article in Steve’s website Scientology-cult: Sea Org Children: the Final Solution. Its a doozy! It will make you so angry – but also it will open your eyes!

  8. I have confidence in the BBC and in John Sweeney.

    He is nothing short of brilliant, with excellent journalistic fact-finding objectivity coupled with insight and sensibility to the human condition.

    Most “media” today has sold out, is politically correct or panders to rating or money by sowing altered facts, controversy and alter-is.

    Then there are the great journalists like Sweeney who are not robotic in their reporting, and couple courage with observation.

    He’s quite a guy.

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  10. Lady Lancelot

    The problem with “Disconnection” is the same problem we have with the larger subject of Ethics. I believe LRH said man can not be trusted with Ethics. And we are men, therefore we can not be trusted with Ethics. This is so true. Look at the sham that has become Comm Evs and Declares. Look at the harm done by the misapplication of Disconnection. Look at the dirty tricks of the GO and now OSA. Man apparently can not be trusted with Ethics. The most Ethical organization on the planet ruining lives…the irony is staggering.
    “Disconnection” as a principle is valid. And that’s where LRH is right. It is man who corrupts the valid principle and twists and turns it to hurt rather than help.
    Since man cannot be trusted with the idea, perhaps a solution would be simply not to enforce it. I don’t remember “force” being part of the policy in any event. Just thinking outloud.

  11. It’s wonderful to know that John Sweeney and the BBC are back and fired up with more damning ammunition. I have tremendous respect for the man. There is a humility about him that Tommy Davis cannot answer to without losing it or becoming 1.1. The way Sweeney handled the situation of the harassment and attacks on Shawn Lonsdale is forever etched in my mind. The behavior of OSA, not unlike what happened to Mark Rathbun this week, is documented

    Must hear Sweeney speak about the death of Shawn

    after having interviewed him in Scientology and Me: “John Sweeney, BBC: Scientology And Me,
    How He Was Provoked ”

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  13. Lady Lancelot – Do you have a reference where it says that “man can not be trusted with ethics”? I do remember LRH saying that “ethics is a personal thing”, and it’s up the person to apply it. Remember that ethics and justice are two different things. In any case, I don’t think LRH would have developed ethics tech if he didn’t think man could be trusted with it. However, when you have SPs and squirrels perverting ethics and justice tech and misapplying it, you have what we have now in the current Church of Miscavigology, i.e. “Reverse Scientology”. Just read reports of what’s happened at the Int Base inthe last twenty years will show you how sicked and twisted this squirrel tech can get.

    • Bob Johnson and Lady minn you are both right, The misunderstanding lies in how you define it.

      -Excerpted from The Scientology Handbook, a comprehensive guide to practical wisdom you can use to better your life and the lives of others.-


      Ethics is so native to the individual that when it goes off the rails he will always seek to overcome his own lack of ethics.

      He knows he has an ethics blind spot the moment he develops it. At that moment he starts trying to put ethics in on himself, and to the degree that he can envision long-term survival concepts, he may be successful, even though lacking the actual tech of ethics.

      All too often, however, an individual becomes involved in an out-ethics situation; and if the individual has no tech with which to handle it analytically (rationally), his “handling” is to believe or pretend that something was done to him that prompted or justified his out-ethics action, and at that point he starts downhill. When that happens, nobody puts him down the chute harder, really, than he does himself.

      And, once on the way down, without the basic technology of ethics, he has no way of climbing back up the chute – he just collapses, directly and deliberately. And even though he has a lot of complexities in his life, and he has other people doing him in, it all starts with his lack of knowledge of the technology of ethics.

      This, basically, is one of the primary tools he uses to dig himself out”


      When the individual fails to put in his own ethics, the group takes action against him and this is called justice.

      Man cannot be trusted with justice. The truth is, man cannot really be trusted with “punishment.” With it he does not really seek discipline; he wreaks injustice. He dramatizes his inability to get his own ethics in by trying to get others to get their ethics in: examine what laughingly passes for “justice” in our current society. Many governments are so touchy about their divine rightness in judicial matters that you hardly open your mouth before they burst into uncontrolled violence. Getting into police hands is a catastrophe in its own right in many places, even when one is merely the plaintiff (the one bringing the lawsuit), much less the accused. Thus, social disturbance is at maximum in such areas.

      When the technology of ethics isn’t known, justice becomes an end-all in itself. And that just degenerates into a sadism, an unnatural cruelty. Governments, because they don’t understand ethics, have “ethics committees,” but these are all worded in the framework of justice. They are even violating the derivation of the word ethics. They write justice over into ethics continuously with medical ethics committees, psychological ethics committees, congressional committees, etc. These are all on the basis of justice because they don’t really know what ethics is. They call it ethics but they initiate justice actions and they punish people and make it harder for them to get their own ethics in.

      Proper justice is expected and has definite use. When a state of discipline does not exist, the whole group caves in. It has been noted continually that the failure of a group began with a lack of or loss of discipline. Without it the group and its members die. But you must understand ethics and justice. The individual can be trusted with ethics, and when he is taught to put his own ethics in, justice no longer becomes the”

    • Lady Lancelot

      Good question. I read it a long time ago and it stuck. I will try and remenber where I read it. I have done the PTS/SP course and the Ethics Specialist course and came across it somewhere. If anyone else out there has read it, let me know. Thank you for asking.

  14. Hubbard also said about Scientology,

    “It is a method of thinking about things. And is just as true as it is workable and no truer.

    “And is not in itself an arbitrary police force to make sure that we all think right thoughts. It’s a servant of the mind. A servo-mechanism of the mind. It is NOT a MASTER of the mind.

    “Scientology will decline and become useless to man on the day when … it becomes the master of thinking. Don’t think it won’t do that! It has every capability in it of doing that.

    “Contained in the knowable workable portions, before your eyes, there are methods of controlling human beings and thetans which have never before been dreamed of in this universe. Control mechanisms of such awesome and solid proportions that if the remedies were not so much easier to apply, one would be appalled at the dangerousness to beingness that exists in Scientology.

    “Fortunately it was intelligently invented. And I say that without any possible bow. I saw that because part of its logic was the remedy should exist before the bullet. And that is just an arbitrary, there really is no reason for that except for this:

    “When you invent the bullet before the remedy, you have to invent the remedy under duress. It’s very hard to kneel along side of a patient who is suffering from a super radioactive burn …. and try to figure out in that moment … what is radioactivity, and how does it effect the human flesh? That’s not the time to figure the remedy. The time to figure the remedy is before the bullet.”

    OK, the Church of Scientology has certainly become a master of thinking and worthless to man. I think the big overt is to NOT think and observe for yourself. I wouldn’t find it hard to believe that Hubbard foresaw this exact situation with the present church. As thetans, we are expected to grow up and handle it, and of course we will handle it. It is just bank, and we are senior to that stuff.

  15. Sorry, a couple things I forgot to add:

    In the “State of Man Congress”, Ron stated that making others guilty of overt acts is in itself an overt of considerable magnitude.

    Also, he stated that the following is laid down as policy:
    “There is so much good in the worst of us,
    and so much bad in the best of us,
    that it ill behooves any of us,
    to talk about the rest of us”

  16. Redneck Thetan

    Glad to see the British general election situation being straightened out today. That was threatening to drag out into the fall, and now that they have a new PM, the BBC should be more willing to schedule non-election coverage. Can’t wait to see Sweeney The Sequel.

  17. Lady Lancelot

    Looks like Sweeny is still researching based on recent interactions with Maryty and the PIs. Thorough is good.

  18. Lady Lancelot

    Cat Daddy, Thank you. You put the reference right up there and I missed it.
    LRH said, “I have concluded man cannot be trusted with justice.” LRH (from HCO PL 6 Oct 70 Issue III “Ethics Penalties”).
    When I first read this reference, I thought LRH was talking about WOGS. I somehow thought that we, as Scientologists, were better than that. Experience has shown me the opposite. We seem to be worse. The evidence is the massive numbers of unjust Comm Evs, Declares, Disconnections and Fair Game practices. My observation is that the Church behaves in a less civilized manner than the wog community. You would have a better chance at justice in a wog court room than in a Comm Ev. I could go on but I think you see my point.


    Peeping landlord sentenced to four to 10 years in jail
    The Intelligencer
    The Norristown landlord who secretly taped and spied on the most intimate moments of his female tenants will experience firsthand what it means not to have any privacy – in a state prison.

    Thomas Daley, described as a “high-tech Peeping Tom” by prosecutors, Friday was sentenced to four to 10 years in prison. The state jail sentence will be followed by a four-year probation sentence.

    Daley’s parole and probation will be supervised in an intensive sexual offenders unit. He will also have to undergo psychiatric treatment and sexual offender counseling after he leaves the prison, according to the sentence handed down by Montgomery County Judge William J. Furber Jr.

    Citing Friday’s tearful testimony of three of Dailey’s victims including one who described Daley’s actions as “tantamount to emotional rape” and impact statements from others of his approximate 30 victims, Montgomery County Judge William J. Furber Jr. told the 47-year-old Chester County resident that the psychological pain to which he subjected his victims “will make it hard for them to ever believe anything in their lives will ever be private again.”

  20. Charged and arrested on suspicion.
    Evidently it’s ILLEGAL to secretly video tape people.

    Hint hint.

    San Jose man charged with secretly videotaping women at Morgan Hill Safeway

    A 31-year-old San Jose man was arrested on suspicion of secretly videotaping female shoppers at a Morgan Hill Safeway store, according to police.
    Mercury News

    Posted: 05/10/2010 02:32:38 PM PDT
    Updated: 05/10/2010 10:03:36 PM PDT

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