The Only Pay There Is For Living

Shortly more than a month ago on this blog Mike Rinder predicted the following:

“Next up on the Vulture Culture agenda, once all personal possessions, teeth fillings and hair are sold off:

BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS”

You can review that posting here: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/what-will-they-think-of-next-2/

Well, now that I have reviewed the latest Ideal Org promo Scientology Inc is sending out, I suppose I will never accuse Mike Rinder of using hyperbole again.  Please be sure you are sitting before you get a load of this one:

And on the brighter side of life, don’t forget the only pay there really is for living:

Well, if you’re going to live life without feeling, without sensation, communication, ARC, understanding and a few other minor quantities, why live?  Why live?  Why not just be a — just take the cog out of the machinery that one is and just go out and lie down in a field someplace and expire, because there’s no point in it; because the things I’ve named are the pay you get for living; and there’s no other pay.

The pay is communication, sensation, ARC, understanding, cooperative endeavor, enthusiam over goals, activity; the feeling one is going and doing something.  These are the only payments that can be made to one for living.  There are some things that try to substitute for them: mink coats, Cadillacs, and big bank accounts. Person says, “Well, if  could just make a couple of million, then I would’ve been paid for it.” Well, ou and i know the answer to that. We see some of these follows that slaved through it for 20-25-30 years, let everything go by the boards but that first couple of million, or something like that, and there they sit in the preclear’s chair with ulcers. They were paid, apparently; they were apparently paid; paid in cash — but they weren’t paid in communication, sensation, understanding, feeling of a job well done, ARC. These payments they didn’t get, and it made them sick!  So there is something real about living, and that something real is life.

-L Ron Hubbard, 29 December 1957, Experience – Randomity and Change of Pace, from Ability Congress

180 responses to “The Only Pay There Is For Living

  1. Also, they keep posting this on the public bulletin board so new people, of which luckily there are none, can see it.

    This is not one bad promo, this is the culture of the Phoenix Org. This promo piece is not from uplines, it’s from the OT committee/Ideal Org Fundraising team. They are being OT by getting you to donate all your money and assume crippling debt that will destroy your personal finances, put your family in danger and sink your business.
    Do the people doing this donate much? No not really. They are doing their part by getting others to donate.

  2. Dental gold work??
    The writer has either never heard of what happened in Auschwitz or just doesn’t care.

  3. It just occurred to me there’s another possible angle to this. Public and staff can donate their gold fillings to the Idol Org, ONLY IF the fillings are extracted by WISE-member dentists who will overcharge public a WISE-approved “Idle Org gold filling extraction rate,” half of which will be donated to the IAS.

    The donor can then buy WISE- and IAS-approved non-gold replacement crowns, for which they will be charged varying amounts depending on their current IAS patron status. For example, a Patronus Gluteus Maximus (PGM) can pay $25,000 for a crown that would cost an IAS Junior Patron only $2,500. Of course, any PGM who wants to move on up to Patronus Humanitarianus Rectumus status can do so by paying $50,000 for their new replacement crown.

    And for those five lucky people devoted enough to donate their gold fillings and $1,000,000 apiece to the IAS during this limited time program, they will also receive, free of charge, a full diamond grill on their top four incisors. Plus, the top grill of any single $5,000,000 donor (only one allowed per year) will be embedded with a lighted halogen-display that flashes “DM – TC – DM – TC.”

    Just Me

  4. This is only surprising if we expect the “church” to have something to do with Scientology. Other than besmirching the name, it doesn’t. These guys would send your body to the knacker-man to get melted down for a couple of bucks when you drop the meat pop-sickle.

    Excellent reference! So cussing true. Why spend life yoked to the insatiable gaping maw?

  5. Well- there are a couple of people in Arizona that are probably disgusted by this. Of course, they don’t originate it, and when they go in session its a missed w/h.

    So, they pay 20,000 in out tech auditing fixing a missed w/h that should never have never been a w/h to begin with.

    And they lost their gold fillings.

    And their silver set they got for their wedding.

    Sucks to be in Arizona.

    Thankfully, they can go to Flag and get it all handled.

    At Flag, money isn’t important. Its all about theta and the intention to facilitate in the healing process of individuals. :) :)

  6. I would say my jaw is on the floor but then I would be afraid a $cientology dentist would appear to look for gold teeth.

  7. becomingAware

    Wow, anyone have any gold filled teeth laying about? I’d be interested to meet the person that wrote that promo and thought it was OK and on Policy. More likely it was a missionaire with a virtual gun to his or her head that came up with that one.

    Funny how the standard ways to raise money get pushed aside in the New Order of DM’s church. Sad that the mission there either doesn’t see it or feels they are incapable of or afraid of following LRH policy.

    david

  8. Now this would be fun if you really think about it: DEMOLITION PARTIES!
    Everyone — doesn’t matter if you are skilled or not. Just bring tools of destruction and meet at the next Humatarian’s house and demo it to the ground, taking care to accrue all the copper. All day BBQ.
    Linda

  9. PHOENIX ORG NEWSLETTER

    Dear Phoenicans;
    We know you are doing the best you can with this economy the way it is out here in the southwest, but hey, we’re not going to justify downstants and instead we are going to “Make it Go Right”.
    The Gold idea was a hit because no one had to spend any money and now we can expand on this a little. But we do thank you for all of the Gold you guys! I know we recieved a lot of Gold wedding rings and it seems that our GAT 2D Co-Audit bit pretty well with the various EPS.

    And you guys with all of those gold teeth! Thanks. Those million dollars smiles may be gone, but if you move up in status you will get your smile back!

    So we have more ideas on dontations. Here they are:

    1. Look around your house and see if you can find any loose silver such as trays or forks or spoons and so forth. Candleabras are good too.
    2,. The catalytic converter under you car has platinum in it. Get someone to cut if out of the exhaust and pull the platinum out of it and send it in.
    3. Now that gas is approaching $4.00 per gallon it is a commodity. When you fill up your tank drive in to the org and we’ll siphon half of it off for you. This will get us a lot of cash!
    4. Cell phones all have about $1.44 in Gold in them. If every on line Scientologist gives us their cell phone, and we know there are a million of you, we would have a lot of money. So let’s turn them in.
    5. Now, for all you guys in Scottsdale, let’s have those extra Plasma TVs you got in your spare rooms. Those puppies have to be worth a grand or two each.
    6. And you guys in Paradise Valley, how about tossing a few BMWs our way?
    7. Last but not least, instead of running your A/C this summer in those big Scottsdale and Phoenix houses, how about sending us the equivalent of your electric bill in cash? A little heat will do us all good and besides, the sacrifice will be worth a little sweat. And you can take niacin and make it into another Purif – well call it the GAT Purif!

    Thanks again guys. We’ll get back to you with more ideas.

    OT Committee Phoenix Org

    • Virgil, Virgil. You have just outed yourself. You are on the Phoenix OT Committe/Ideal Org Fundraising Committee. How else would you know this stuff??

      HOT DOG!

      IT’S A BAR-B-QUE!

      COME PLAY WITH US!

      THIS SUNDAY

      THE DAY STARTS WITH A BAR-B-QUE AT NOON.

      THERE WILL BE LOTS OF FUN THINGS FOR THE KIDS TO DO TOO, LIKE A CLOWN AND A HUGE “MOON BOUNCE”.

      SO WHAT’S THE OCCASION?

      IT’S C-NOTE SUNDAY!

      “C-NOTE” IS THE SLANG TERM FOR A $100.00 BILL.

      WHO WOULDN’T DONATE A “C-NOTE” TO PUT AN IDEAL ORG HERE IN PHOENIX?

      CAN YOU THINK OF 10 PEOPLE YOU KNOW WHO WOULD PLAY THIS GAME WITH US?

      OUR GOAL IS FOR 100 PEOPLE TO FIND 10 PEOPLE WHO WILL EACH DONATE A “C-NOTE.”

      THIS WOULD EQUAL $100,000.00

      FOR OUR IDEAL ORG!!!!

      WE WILL BE HERE MAKING CALLS, SENDING E-MAILS, MUNCHING ON BAR -B -QUE.

      LOCATION: OUR CURRENT ORG LOCATION

      1002 N. 3RD STREET

      COME ON DOWN – WE’LL BE HERE

      ALL DAY ‘TIL 6:00PM

      ____________________________

      Hiya,

      We are currently down $7,000 from last week and we DO NOT WANT TO END THE WEEK DOWNSTAT. Please call in any donation you can, no matter how small or big. Let’s do this for our IDEAL ORG :)

      Ilona Bischoff

      ___________________

      Buy a Brick for $25

      Play the game with us and help put an Ideal Org in the Birthplace of Scientology!

      Click the link Buy A Brick NOW or send check or money order to:
      Church of Scientology of Arizona, 1002 N 3rd Street, Phoenix, Az 85004

      ____________________

      Rolling Strikes for the
      Phoenix Ideal Org

      Saturday, February 27th
      Shea Village Lanes
      10870 N 32nd Street
      Phoenix 85028
      4:30pm

      Enjoy an afternoon with family and friends
      $35.00 per person $25.00 for kids 12 and under
      2 hours of bowling fun, soft pretzels, popcorn and soda
      All proceeds benefit the Phoenix Ideal Org

      _________________

      DINNER AND DANCING

      Friday Night at the Movies

      Friday – October 30, 2009
      Hilton Garden Inn
      4000 N Central Ave, Phoenix (Just South of Indian School)
      6:00pm – Buffet Dinner
      Tickets $50.00 each

      Come dressed as your favorite movie character!

      ___________

      Country Wester Dinner & Dance

      Saturday, March 3rd, 6:00 pm

      Dust off the boots, Locate the Hat, Shine the silver buckle AND . . . . .

      Come enjoy the company of friends! Eat a sumptuous meal! Listen to live country music! Learn to dance the two-step & line dance!

      Support the IDEAL ORG IN ARIZONA!!!

      Admission: $150 per person / Kids $25
      Purchase tickets @ The Phoenix Org 602-954-1417
      See y’all there!

      Held at the Scottsdale Jaycees
      8102 E. Jackrabbit Road
      Scottsdale

      ___________

  10. Fox News Alert!!

    MacDonalds Corp has turned down an offer from the Church of Scientology International to open franchises inside each the Cults new “Ideal Orgs”. A spokesman for Micky-Ds told Fox today that “the negotiations lasted three minutes because the cult had the idea that we would want to put our burger outlets into buildings that were not only vdevoid of paying public but the staff that manned the empty buildings didn’t even have enough money to purchase a small burger and small fries themselves.” The spokesman also told us that “these so-called Ideal Org buildings were located in remote urban areas like sidestreets or on the edge of Golf Courses and were very difficult to find.” The spokesman added “We would be immediately dismissed if we ever put one of our outlets where these buildings are placed. It appears that these huge,posh buildings were purposely placed in areas devoid of traffic so they would fail completely. These people are idiots.”

  11. (leaked from Int marketing meeting…)

    RTC
    Office of COB Special Marketing

    UNTAPPED SOURCES OF REVENUE

    1. Skin graft donations
    2. Baskets that the RPF shmucks can weave from hair
    3. Human waste that can be sterilized and compressed into cheap plastic-like products, such as emeter cases, etc.
    4. Fights to the death
    5. Pissing contests
    6. Spitting contests
    7. Breath-holding contests
    8. Rent-a-spouse
    9. Voluntary limb severing exhibitions
    10. Elementary School Loan sharking
    11. Multi-level Mobile Meth Labs
    12. Dog Racing Nights
    13. Win A Night With COB
    14. Personal Chanting Walls
    15. Pay Per View of LRH Personal Home Movies
    16. Cognition Insurance
    17. Fines for blinking
    18. ‘Most Like COB’ contests
    19. Black Market Plastic Surgery
    20. Win A Night With TC
    21. Segway Tours
    22. Live-In MAAs
    23. Premium for 110% Standard Tech
    24. Hypnotic Implanting Parties
    25. Electric Shock Treatments
    26. Certified Ethical Prostitutes
    27. Pharmaceutical Advertising
    28. Fight Fixing
    29. Assassinations
    30. Professional Lying Services
    31. Black Market Botox Injections
    32. Black Market E-Meters
    33. Independent Scientology Field Auditors Group
    34. Oust COB Donation Campaign
    35. Bone Marrow Sales
    36. Shoe repair
    37. Purif sweat recycling
    38. Close-hand combat lessons

    Note: These all look good to me. 

    COB

    • Tony DePhillips

      ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      You are friggin hysterical man!!
      26. Certified Ethical Prostitutes
      9. Voluntary limb severing exhibitions
      16. Cognition Insurance
      A few of my personal favorites!!
      That cognition insurance comes in handy!!

    • They all look good to me too!
      Ha!Ha!Ha!
      Brilliant!

    • Too witty! That was one hard laugh. I had to read it several times to flatten the buttons. Thanks for that. Thank you very much!

  12. I hereby nominate Jim Bishop for Douchebag of the Year.
    I am often astounded by some of the ideas that advertisers (not only Scn but Madison Avenue) thinks up, allocates big bucks for, produces and proffers to the public (any 90% ads on TV, radio, etc.) Grown men and women, professionals in their fields actually spend their lives doing that stuff. Then, once in awhile some dope, Jim Bishop in this case, actually permits his name to be associated with such idiocy. Jim, cram on Marketing Series 14, VIEWPOINT. View the ad that you are starring in from the viewpoint of any human being on planet Earth. What do you conclude? Then report to HCO for a Rollback interview so you can straighten out your think.

  13. Guys, guys…take a breath! I had a gold crown fall out a few years ago and the dentist said to keep it or sell it because a new one had to be made. THIS is the kind of dental gold that they are asking for…the stuff that is already out of your mouth.

    Even so. That promo piece is just dirty bad taste all around….

    • If you leave any gold in your mouth you would be withholding energy needed to build the Empire of Ideal Orgs. That would be out-ethics on the 3rd, 6th and 7th Dynamics. You need an immediate Sec Check and a Severe Teeth Adjustment. Report to the Dental Assets MAA or face the wrath of the Tooth Comm Ev.

  14. I thought I had a strong stomach but this one really made me barf!!!

    I hate to give away a good idea to the regges but I wanted to share with you a story I heard about another Church. What they did was get the parishioners to will everything to the Church and then they poisoned them. But why stop there, another good idea is to get the cool ade drinker to take out a large life insurance policy with the church as beneficiary, then do the same, but why stop there..I know for a fact there is a big market in livers, for liver transplants, so the (reges) checksheet item before the insurance policy signing is the signing over to a middle man who traffics in body parts, of high value parts such as heart, eyes, kidney. Man, you can get a lot for a good kidney and each person has two. More bang for the buck! The middle man turns over to the Church or to DM’s personal Swiss account, what ever can be worked out on the parts. OK, there is still more one can profit from and that is Adolf’s contribution of using the body hair for pillow stuffing and the leftovers for soap. Now you have the makings of a real reg cycle!

    You know, I can see that there might even be coolade drinkers that would be willing to submit willingly to this program with the right honors status that goes onto your next lifetime. And what’s this one lifetime anyway in the light of billions of them. Pshaw, easy reg cycle.

  15. That’s the last time I write anything on this blog without reading what’s up ahead of me! You guys are hilarious!! Practically every one of my jems was preempted by you creative guys! All I can say is we track!

    • You were original in your Pillow Stuffing idea. Hey, the Brainstorm Marketing Division is appreciative of all ideas.

  16. scilonschools

    On a lighter note “Just a Game Oliver, just a Game”

    • Remimeo
      All Reges
      All Parishioners
      MAAs

      HCO PL 8 March 2011
      PICK-POCKETING ALLOWED

      Due to the extreme urgency of Clearing the planet, pick-pocketing is hereby allowed on and off all Org premises as long as the proceeds are turned over to an officially authorized Church of $cientology Asset Collection Agency.

      There is no recourse. Tough times call for tough measures.

      The Hole
      New Source Division

      Approved by COB

      DM:The Hole:ns:rm:hj:gw:gl:my:mi:etc.

      • Fellow Traveller

        I am having difficulty typing through the spasms from laughing so hard.

        Who or what the hell are all those initials? Dribble or are they in fact norm starkey, ray mitoff, heber jentzsch, greg wilhere, guillaume lesevre, marc yager, marc ingber; the “founding members of the hole”?

        Bruce Pratt

    • You’ve got one hell of a gift at wit.

  17. scilonschools

    Maybe there is hope for DM?, well at least an opening on the Stage!!!

  18. I have an idea! How about David Miscavige donates the extravagant platinum and diamond chandelier earring and necklace set Tom Cruise gave as a gift to Shelly Miscavige for Christmas 2004. I’m sure it would fetch a substantial amount for Phoenix Org. Time to start leading by example, Davy!

  19. Anybody interested in some old socks? *gg

  20. Bip-Bip-Blap-Blippity Blap

    The funny thing about Scientology marketing literature is the brazen, almost gaudy, use of Neuro-Linguistic Programming. It’s the kind of tacky that standard people look at and either; laugh, or get pissed off that they wasted their time even looking at it.

    Reading up on basic NLP provides life a great bullshit detector, and mine goes off the charts whenever I see Scientology Propaganda/ Media/ Marketing.

    LRH did it too, but Davey’s end product is the equivalent of a Insurance Conference for Vanilla Sandwiches in 1987, cliche. So in reality it makes him more of an oddity than cliche.

    Keep it up Gordon Gecko, I am enjoying this sad slow descent.

  21. Allow me to science geek out here for a moment.

    Gold, aka element 79, is one of the heaviest and densest stable elements with an atomic weight of 196.97. Classically, the heaviest stable element is Bismuth, aka element 83 and an atomic weight of 208.98.

    Elements heavier than that (and some lighter), well, the internal protons push the molecule apart until it splits apart. We call that radioactive. In other words, not even MEST can stand being that solid.

    So — in other words, the CofS is about as solid as is physically possible in this universe.

  22. Once I had a co worker that drank too much. Suddenly he started that flies are after him and biting him. First time he told us we had the idea he is joking. But day after day flies did bite him. No joke anymore. He had been utterly convinced that flies can bite.
    Once I had a friend. All looked normal but one day she told me that little green man sat at her bad that night. With evil intentions. She had been utterly convinced that those little greens had been there and after her.
    If you are surrounded by people that are utterly convinced that a fly bites and little green man are after you then you might buy that. Especially if you are not allowed to communicate with others that have a different reality.
    I think DM is desperate. He has flies and little greens that are after him. If little greens show up at his bed then he has another drink. But then the flies come and try to bite him.

    • OK, I get your point. But if you think flies don’t bite, you’ve never been to Canada in the summertime! :-)

  23. This is a very sad state of affairs but what is even sadder is that the intended target of this promo finds nothing wrong with it. It is amazing how cleverly the tech of gradients has been used to help brainwash the Scientologists whereby they automatically believe anything dished out by the Cof$.

    I am of the opinion that the Scientologists no longer have a viewpoint and therefore cannot hold a location in space . They become weaker and less effective in life exactly what MissCabbagge wanted – a group of zombis.

    Marty, now that is living, never mind what LRH said. LRH today, is only a tool that MissCabbage uses to forward his own goals.

  24. Any parody of Co$ is soon redundant, since the Co$ soon makes it reality.

    To think of Tom Cruise accepting customised motorbikes and hangars from his criminal BFF while this sort of stuff is happening — people being asked for jewellery and dental gold?! I’m afraid TC is completely morally and ethically bankrupt at this point. Or worse — he actually owes the world bigtime at this point for helping enable a criminal scumbag and his criminal enterprises. When the Co$ ship sinks, I hope it takes its celebrity enablers with it. In this day and age, with the internet right there, there is *no* excuse for not knowing about this stuff, and not acting on it.

  25. Friend of Ron

    Sarge wrote:

    “LRH would get so ‘sudden’ over this blatant out ethics off policy BS. If he were around now (and who’s to say he’s not) heads would roll. And I know they will. Love.”

    That got me thinking: What would LRH do?

    Well here is one thing that I think he most likely might do, reissue HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965 and the first part might read:

    KEEPING ORIGINAL SCIENTOLOGY WORKING

    We have some time since passed the point of achieving uniformly workable technology……..

    Getting the correct technology applied consists of:

    ONE: Having the ORIGINAL technology.

    TWO: Knowing the ORIGINAL technology.

    THREE: Knowing it is correct.

    FOUR: Teaching correctly the ORIGINAL technology.

    FIVE: Applying the ORIGINAL technology.

    SIX: Seeing that the ORIGINAL technology is correctly applied.

    SEVEN: Hammering out of existence incorrect technology.

    EIGHT : Knocking out incorrect applications.

    NINE: Closing the door on any possibility of incorrect technology.

    TEN: Closing the door on incorrect application.

    ……………………..

    Just a thought.
    Just my 2cents

    ………..Oh, there is one other thing LRH might do:

    List by name all the secretaries who had worked for him personally and under his personal supervision, that is to say the “Transcribers”, and award them all the status of Kha-Khan.

    • FoR – Good [post but you missed the 2nd step –
      1) List by name all of the secretaries who had worked for Ron personally.
      2) Undeclare all of them,.
      3) Declare all of these secretaries Kha-Khan.

    • Remimeo
      All Reges
      The Hole
      All MAAs
      All Parishioners
      All Tech Personnel

      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965DM

      (cancels and replaces HCO PL 7 FEBRUARY 1965 KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING)

      KEEPING DONATIONS WORKING

      Without money we will fail. If others have any money that is not turned over to us they could use it against us and possible destroy all that we have worked for.

      In all the years we’ve been involved in the crucial process of soliciting and obtaining donations we’ve been too reasonable in allowing others to not pay. This has kept us from accumulating all the money in the world, which we desperately need if we are to be able to do our jobs.

      The only place we have ever fallen down on the job is when we have gotten lax on any of the ten points of this policy letter.

      From this point forward it will be considered a SUPPRESSIVE ACT punishable by being slapped, punched, choked, kicked and thrown to the ground, humiliated, ostracized, disconnected from, ignored, gang-bang sec checked, implanted and possibly even vaporized for any failure on the part of any staff member or parishioner of any branch of the Church of $cientology to apply any and all of the ten vital points of this Policy Letter.

      IT IS NOW TO BE CONSIDERED A WILLFUL AND INTENTIONAL SUPPRESSIVE ACT ON THE PART OF ANY PARISHIONER TO FAIL TO PAY WHENEVER SOLICITED FOR ANY DONATION BY AN OFFICIALLY AUTHORIZED DONATION REPRESENTATIVE.

      When that reluctant, stingy prospect comes to you with that airy-fairy, panty-waist dilettante attitude, turn that wandering doubt in his or her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare of generosity and we’ll win and get the money. Humor the prospect and allow them to not pay and our coffers will suffer as a result.

      It is not just up to Tom Cruise or Craig Jensen or Nancy Cartwright or Brian Zwan or the Feschbach Clan to provide the necessary funds, but it’s the duty of every single man, woman, child, fetus and embryo on the face of the Earth now and for all eternity to wear this hat and always, always, always pay and never refuse to pay nor allow others to refuse to pay.

      This is serious business and it’s time we all grew up, shut up and pay up.

      ONE:   Having the correct donation technology.

      TWO:  Knowing the donation technology.

      THREE: Knowing the donation technology is correct.

      FOUR: Teaching correctly the correct donation technology.

      FIVE: Applying the correct donation technology.

      SIX: Seeing that the correct donation technology is correctly applied.

      SEVEN: Hammering out of existence incorrect donation technology.

      EIGHT : Knocking out ineffective donation technology applications.

      NINE:  Opening the door wide for the possibility of any effective donation technology.

      TEN: Closing the door on the possibility of any ineffective donation technology application.

      COB
      New Source Division

      DM:dm

  26. Joe Pendleton

    My guess is that the folks still in the church will keep on giving and giving until either they are broke or they have a “come to Jesus moment” as I did after having $10,000 extorted from me in book donos before I would be “allowed to continue” an off-policy ethics action (and then shortly thereafter threatened with expulsion when being regged for $31 G’s more by a 19 yo SO member). It now looks like the 10 G’s was a great investment, as it will probably save me more than $100,000 in the next decade or so that I might have given to the church.

    It’s the same old story on the religious track on Earth. The faithful are convinced to give up all their moolah to their church until they have nothing and the church builds its grand buildings and the church leaders live in luxury. This scam has been going on for thousands and thousands of years. And the gullible (myself included for a long time) keep coughing up the dough.

  27. Joe Pendleton

    One recent example. A few weeks ago I had dinner with a friend who is OT5 and still on lines. Frist, my friend parried any example I gave of current church misdeeds as simply a few individuals who misapplied policy and that what I should have done is , of course, “write it up” (which by the way I had done). Then my friend told me the following “win” (to illustrate how understanding the church was regarding regging). Seems my friend had money on account at Flag and Dave Foster was grinding on him to come and get the auditing. After much back and forth, Mr. Foster “accepted” my friend’s protestations of current poverty and “agreed” not to reg him for more auditing if he came to Flag immediately for the service (which my friend did by the way). This was told to me as a win to illustrate that if one will just communicate, all will be a love-fest of ARC. My friend completely missed the irony of his “win” – that of being impoverished by continual crush demands for money (some of which I personally witnessed) and now that he had no money at all to give, Mr. Foster was “very understanding” and agreed not to demand any more (now that there was no more to give). This is just one recent story which illustrates the mindset of paying for “one’s eternity.” Heck, the Catholic Church and its leaders lived off that scam for centuries (and yes, the Vatican IS breathtakingly magnificant).

  28. Wow, when I saw this add for gold it really showed how desperate these orgs are to make money. They have morphed into something I don’t even recognize anymore and it’s not a pretty sight. So glad and so grateful I’m not connected to this travesty. I actually feel for those who are still there and think they are saving the planet. It’s like watching a horror movie.

  29. Just to clarify my comment above about the “Soupy Sales” moment earlier on: Here is the explanation: (from Urban Legends website):

    “Claim: Soupy Sales was suspended for asking his young television viewers to send him “green pieces of paper” taken from their parents’ wallets.
    “Status: True.

    “In January 1965 on his morning children’s show, the performer Soupy Sales suggested to his young viewers that they find the wallets of their sleeping fathers and take out “some of those funny green pieces of paper with all those nice pictures of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Alexander Hamilton, and send them along to your old pal, Soupy, care of WNEW, New York. [Collected on the Internet, 1997]
    ” ‘Hey kids, last night was New Year’s Eve, and your mother and dad were out having a great time. They are probably still sleeping and what I want you to do is tiptoe in their bedroom and go in your mom’s pocketbook and your dad’s pants, which are probably on the floor. You’ll see a lot of green pieces of paper with pictures of guys in beards. Put them in an envelope and send them to me at Soupy Sales, Channel 5, New York, New York. And you know what I’m going to send you? A post card from Puerto Rico!’ “

  30. Wohhh! Awesome ref, Marty. Thanks!! :)

  31. David/Fear/Nothingleft

    This is all so bullshit!!! If the CoS wasn’t a cult I’d have so many people to sign up for courses!!! F@CK!!!! Even though I was new I can still be one hell of a disseminator!!! I’m not kidding….

  32. I would never have thought in a million years that orgs would stoop so low and Management would be leading the way. From bad to worse in 20 years.

  33. Tremendously funny: “Coffee & snacks will be served”. Nice exchange!

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