Idle Org Fraud – The Proof


In the summer of 2006, right about the time Idle Org regging went over the top to stay, and it had spread around the world, David Miscavige had to address some burning questions the public was asking.  In order to handle the “noise” from the “riff raff” public, he went straight to his A team – the OT Ambassadors.  He knew as his ambassadors they’d spread back into org fields and set the riff raff straight, “tone 40” style.   Now, buckle your seat belts before you read Miscavige’s words below.  When he doesn’t have a Sherman-speak speech on teleprompter side checked by his $1,000 an hour attorneys, the damnedest stuff issues from his mouth.  Note well, incidentally, how he outright dismisses L Ron Hubbard in front of this crowd.  What is remarkable is that inspite of the non-sequitor, non-sensical, and plain idiotic Miscavige answers, these OTA’s apparently were satisfied, clicked their heels and went right to work damping out the public resistance. Anybody still want to argue against the proposition that the higher one moves on Miscavige’s Bridge the more compliant and tractable he or she becomes?  





From recording of live event


OK?  All right.  Ok. Now. So here’s some questions that came up on orgs. Now that I’ve given you all that data, let me tell you this, because I know you’re going get together people on that. People ask, “Why in the city? Why in the country? Why a test center? And why does it have to be so big?” Ok.


Taking all this data, there are very basic factors. LRH gives data on where an org can be prominently located. In major cities you often want them right there, prominently located in the middle of the city. Some cities, everybody leaves after work and they’re not in city. Ok? So that’s one factor.  Why the country? Because you can build it bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. And economic wise for people to get, to live around that area, etc….



… So how big do you want it? How big… people say “Why 45-60,000?” Because we’ve generally calculated out that’s about the size that you can fit in these different services. But take a look what you want. You want your public division displays. You want people to walk through. You want several film rooms. People can walk in and just see a film. Ok. You want to be able to deliver a seminar. You can have a weekend seminar where new people are coming, but then they’re going to keep going on co-audit. Next weekend they’re going to be back. But the new people are going to be there for the weekend seminar. Well, that means you need a second seminar room for co-auditing. So you need two of them. You want a co-audit going of group processing, you need another room. So why this size? Ok, what size do I want you to have? Ok, 200,000 square feet. Do you see what I mean? You can’t really pick the size. What size? The bigger the better. I’ll give you another clue. The bigger, the easier. That’s all. So we want as big as possible. But the real issue are knowing what these services are, you know you want a bunch of public rooms. You know, we don’t have it down at Flag you can walk into the Auditorium, but think about the org you went to, here’s how it would go:


I’d walk in, “Hi, I want to know what Scientology is.”  “Ok, the Reg is over here.” (LAUGHTER).


And “I’d like to go into a seminar.”  “Ok, please, welcome to our broom closet.” Ok.






We’re trying to get these big areas because these are many group services.  So that’s – for some of those of questions that’s the general answer.   Knowing what these services are, you get a better idea as to what sort of org you’re looking for.  And obviously all the ones we’ve had, they have an element that makes it – okay, good, yeah – this is gonna work. 


251 responses to “Idle Org Fraud – The Proof

  1. Haven’t any of the public bots who attend these functions ever read the LRH on how to choose the physical location of an org?

  2. Hmmm. To post or not to post…

    There’s a confidential tape called, I think, “War of the Universes” that was a session of Ron being audited by Mary Sue back in 1952 when the information was really juicy. In it Ron says that the theta universe is under attack by another type of being.

    He says that these are entheta people, that there might be such a thing as an entire entheta being. Get that, no theta at all, per se.

    He says they don’t respond to thought, emotion and effort like a normal thetan. Their tone level is sort of below 2.0, but they really aren’t on the tone scale. And they don’t really move on the tone scale. You can’t disenturbulate them and move them up and down the tone scale like a normal thetan.

    Their purpose is to defeat theta. Sort of a clash for power. And they’re very, very sneaky. Very underhanded, trying to effect certain attitudes of defeat and subservience rather than engaging in straight on confrontation.

    So, in my experience, when you have any movement that tries to expand theta, these beings flock to the movement and try to suppress it. Whenever an individual starts to expand and radiate theta, enthetans will suddenly appear in his life to bring him down. It’s like mosquitoes finding you in the woods.

    Every effort to enhance and free theta on this planet has been met with counter efforts by enthetans to dumb down the information and make the entire practice unworkable. It’s not an accident. It’s intentional.

    And, I’m not even paranoid. Just read your history. Look at any religious movement, at where it started and where it ended up.

    There were waves of these beings introduced into the theta universe and this MEST universe. DM is probably just one of them.

    I ran across this stuff in session long before I ever heard the “Battle of the Universes” tape, so there are at least two of us who have independently encountered this stuff. And most of you trust Ron’s observations–though not all of what I just wrote came from that session between Ron and Mary Sue.

    So, I watch DM and just think, “Hmm, that’s what I’d expect. He’s an enthetan. He’s not a thetan. He doesn’t like theta. He wants to defeat theta in the worst way.”

    And the confusion about DM being some sort of major whole track SP just doesn’t seem right to me. He’s sort of minor league. There are so many of these beings on this planet. And some of them are much larger and much more formidable than this illiterate megalomaniac strutting around with whatever he can steal. Some of these guys can stand on their own and generate all sorts of power. They’re creative and impressive in what they can accomplish.

    (We’re not being beaten as theta by a fluke. That is just mathematically and practically unworkable as a premise–sort of like not worrying about Japanese flyers before WW2 “because they don’t have a sense of balance.” So, we get Pearl Harbor.)

    Take away what this guy’s stolen and he’d fold in a heartbeat. He’d be on his knees begging, quivering abjectly, hoping he wouldn’t get kicked. Look at Jesse Prince’s comments about his sec check sessions ordered by Ron.

    Not all of these enthetans are this weak. And we shouldn’t be fooled into thinking they are. They aren’t necessarily like school bullies, full of bluster and fear. Some of them have virtually no fear at all. And lack any sort of conscience to inhibit their actions.

    To underestimate this class of beings is to get eaten alive. And they would have no qualms about sautéing your and your children’s hearts to feed their pet poodles.

    Just to put this all in perspective. Just my observations. Just my experience.


    • Michael,
      LRH came back to that area he was checking out in that 52 tape. Further research was done. A handling was worked out. He got the full story and addressed it.


      • Jim,


        Shhhhhhh. I was trying to be discreet. Like being at a party with kids and talking about you-know-what.

        By the way, periodically, I go camping in that area, just to see what I can find. Love to pick through the fossils, listen to the wild animals at night, watch the stars without the interference of city lights. See some interesting stuff. Find some really unusual things.

        Those city lights can really obscure what can be seen.

        And you know me, I’m not fond of guides. I like to figure out how to climb back up the cliff with a broken leg when I fall over the edge. Makes for a better story.

        Also, by the way, took my 16 year old son out to a car dealer to look at a Corvette. Talked the salesman into letting him test drive it. He came back grinning, “Dad, I got it up to almost a hundred on the freeway. Didn’t seem like we were going that fast.”

        Ah, my boy!

        Life is full of adventure.

        And having data is a lot like going camping. If you can catch your own food and build your own shelter there’s not a lot of reason to pack up the groceries and drag along a tent. It’s nice to have and adds a bit to the civilizing feel, but certainly not necessary.

  3. The Freewinds.
    Venue of the famous TC birthday bash video leak and now we have transcripts from the super secret OTA briefings.
    That ship be a leaky boat!

  4. The Persians called this “evil” principle Ahriman. It is old rather than new. There are many aspects and definitions (satan = adversary etymologically) but one of the more intriguing I encountered from an Scn perspective is that Ahriman represents materiality (MEST) as opposed to spirituality (theta). MEST or Ahriman is not actually evil in itself but tending towards MEST, too much MEST, one becomes ENMEST and cultivates entheta. Ahriman is different from Lucifer who was a light bearer who became a temptor, tempting you to MEST. Spirituality, especially in a theta sense, is available in Scn. It just became rarer and rarer, obviously in proportion to what one could attain with Scn.

  5. I wonder who is qualed to do the ClassVIII course these days. Has there been a Class VI interned OT3 made since 1996? The end of this announcement says “All invited.”

    Sent: Sat Apr 30th, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

    Subject: What Is Class VIII?
    Date: Sun, May 1, 2011 6:27 am











    • Wow they must be getting desperate!

      They’re actually promoting training.

      Maybe some are starting to cognite that Rabid Squirrel Tech ™ ain’t working.

      I’d say chalk that promo as a plus point in the sea of out points the Church of Scientology has become.

      I was told back in ’03 when I graduated from the BC *un*certainty course that I was one of a dozen “Golden Age of Tech” Class VI’s.

      Inside I was going WTF!!!!!

      But outside I pretended to be “honored”.

      A dozen VIs is what ASHO used to graduate per month on average when I graduated the course back in the ’80’s.

      Anyhoo to answer your question a friend of mine told me the trials and tribulations he was going through after doing his GAT VI Internship.

      (His third internship since graduating the course about the same time I did when the course changed in the early ’90’s.

      So much for the concept of a *permanent cert*.)

      First they wanted to do an eligibility on him.

      An eligibility to do a freaking course!???

      I offered to do it for him gratis but he told me it had to be done by an SO member.

      Can we say *arbi….f_cking….trary*!

      Also a hidden data line.

      I mean what special tech did Sea Org auditors have about running FPRD that us mere mortals didn’t have?

      Also he told me that he was somewhat disappointed because VIIIs where no longer allowed to co-audit OT IV even though Ron specifically says in policy that VIIIs can coaudit their OT IV.

      When I asked my reg dear ol Steve Kemper at the time why?

      He told me that no one who isn’t SO is allowed to audit OTs anymore.

      (I mean if this was some mad capped effort to maintain the security of the Advanced Courses it was an obvious *fail* on their part because much of it had been posted on ARS by then.

      Aside from the fact that the idea is basically stupid due this fact since now we have a bunch of cases who have now been exposed to higher levels and may have been restimulated by them who could easily be repaired by VIIIs in the field.

      However *logic* didn’t seem the Church’s strong point at that point which is why I got the F_ck outta there.

      But that’s another story.)

      So as you can see the AOs in their infinite wisdom have eliminated one of its strongest selling points that is that one can co-audit IV.

      And made doing it rather pointless since you are no longer allowed to do OT rev.

      Not only that but you must go through a freaking sec check just to get on the course that can only be delivered by some anointed SO member who probably happens to be a V Grad or even a IV who hates higher classed auditors.

      (Reminds me of my TRD)

      So much for Auditor Assignment *Policies*.

      No surprise that less than 5 VIIIs have been made since ’96.

  6. What an incoherent sack of whale excrement that spewed from Napoleon Hitler’s lips!!! You have a guy who has allegedly: beaten people, denigrated people, abused them in several ways, grounds people with phallic copper rods, and now cannot string together two coherent thoughts in a row. What an embarrassment to himself, His church, and to any halfway educated person!!! Sounds like a babbling schizoid walking down the street, oblivious to everyone else, and drunk. Megalomaniacal, narcissistic, sociopath. There are people who have dementia who make better sense. How can people NOT recognize such utter bullsh*t? Where in the hell are the class action suits and the criminal charges to bring this thing to justice? Obama got Osama. Who will ravage Miscavige? Is it going to take some Navy seals?

  7. Interesting stuff guys. I’m new to the Independent scene, but just an update on the Ideal Orgs: Dallas is empty. Orange County is a desert. Pasadena is a graveyard.

    As you all well know, we get what we flow to, so let’s flow toward the beautiful.

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