Toronto – David Stokes

You need a scorecard these days to keep track of who is in and who is out of Scientology Inc in Toronto.

On the 31st of August, 1973, I stepped through the front door of the Toronto org for the very first time.  I was introduced to the Public Reg, Judy Breaks.  (She later became Judy Light, a Flag reg for some time, I believe.)  I began the HQS course that evening.  I was on the Bridge to Total Freedom.

On the 31st of August, 2011, exactly 38 years later, I stepped through the front door of the Toronto Org possibly for the last time.  I came for a meeting with the Toronto Day Org’s Ethics Officer, David Felske (David is the son of the local, Toronto DSA, a woman named Pat Felske).  He showed me the two written official Flag Ethic’s Orders that he had received that morning.  I read them both.  The first one declared me to be a Suppressive Person.  The second one expelled me from the Church.  The EO told me I would not be given a copy of either of these two published Ethics Orders.  I left the meeting.  I left the building.

Thirty-eight years.  To the day.

Perhaps now I could get back on the Bridge to Total Freedom as an Independent Scientologist.  Has anyone else, reading this, had a similar thought?

Hello!  My name is Dave Stokes.  I have lived in Toronto all my life.  Sixty-one years.  The Toronto Org has always been my Org.

My personal Scientology history is:

–        I joined staff on three different occasions, completing one 2.5 year contract (’73 thru ’76) and not completing two others (’78 and ’86).

–        As a public, I completed three auditor training courses (HSDC, Academy Levels 0-4, and the Sec Checker course).  I failed to complete all three internships and therefore I have no auditor experience.

–        As a public I made it to Dianetic Case Completion at Toronto Org (2001).

–        I went Clear and did my OT 1-5 at AO ANZO in 2002-3.

–        I began solo auditing on OT 7 in June, 2004.

–        I stopped solo auditing on OT 7 in July, 2005.

–        Having a personal computer, I had been a good boy and behaved myself from 1997 to 2009 by viewing only “approved” web sites and not reading any “entheta” anywhere from any source.

–        My behaviour changed in August, 2009 when I found out about and listened to all the Truth Rundown videos.

–        Thereafter, I had a valence shift and I became a bad boy and misbehaved wickedly from August of 2009 to August of 2011 reading anything and everything I could find about Scientology on the internet and elsewhere.

–        I was Comm Ev’ed in the last week of June, 2011.

–        I was found guilty of my alleged crimes and high crimes, declared an SP and expelled from the Church, 31 August 2011.

–        I am declaring myself to be an Independent Scientologist, Feb. 2012.

What were my high crimes that caused me to become an “overnight” SP, you might wonder?

I looked.  I spoke up.  (We all did this, is that not the case?)

In late 2009, having committed these two crimes, my Flag D of P (Nancy Hawkins) asked me to stop.  I said “No.”  In 2010, a Flag MAA (Wella MacDonald) told me to stop.  I said “No.”  A Flag Tour Qual Consultant (Myron Rapp) ordered me to stop.  I said “No.”  The FSC for Canada (Arda Froese) encouraged my to stop.  I said “No.”  In 2011, two OSA agents (Peter Stevenson and John MacPhail) counselled me to stop. (I did not know they were OSA agents at the time.  I thought they were concerned fellow Toronto Scientologists just trying to help me in my hour of need.  However, the only evidence at my Comm Ev was submitted by Stevenson and MacPhail.)  In 2011, the Chairman of my Comm Ev (Susan Sisson) warned me to stop.  I said “No.”  My ex-wife (27 years of marriage), my son and my daughter begged me to stop.  I said “No.”

Perhaps this is not an unfamiliar story to many others?

Since August of 2009, I have tried hard to inform myself of missing data that was unavailable to me as a parishioner of David Miscavige’s church.  In no particular order, this data includes:

–        Reported physical violence at Int Headquarters on SO staff by SO staff.

–        SP declarations on 18 of 54 Class 12 auditors (meaning one-third of all Class 12’s have been declared over the years to be SP’s).

–        SP declarations of 38 of 54 original Old Saint Hill staff members (meaning 70% of the original Old Saint Hill staff have been declared over the years to be SP’s).

–        The details of David Mayo’s removal from post, his comm ev and subsequent declaration and expulsion.

–        The “instant SP declarations” of many veteran mission holders in 1982.

–        The treatment of Mary Sue Hubbard and the non-announcement of her death in 2002 and therefore no subsequent celebration of her life.

–        The details of the editing of LRH’s written and spoken words after the fact of his death.

–        The details of the re-introduction of disconnection policy in 1982.

–        The fact of the continuing promise of Super Power “next year”.

–        The details of the non existence of the New World Corps and Universe Corps.

–        The details of LRH’s death.

–        The details of changes made to LRH’s will the day before he died.

–        The details surrounding Lisa MacPherson’s death.

–        Pat and Annie Broeker’s disappearance from public view in 1987.

Apparently International Management considers the staff and public of a Class 5 Org to be of such a low order as to be unable to correctly confront and evaluate such data.  For the record, I object.

The only Class 5 Org that I have reality on is Toronto.  Thirty-eight years is enough time to become familiar with the workings of the Toronto Org.  I have done no services at any other lower Org.  In those 38 years I have observed the following key Org stats that have entered a completely non viable range (= condition of Non-Existence):

–        Auditors made (= Non-E).

–        Releases made (= Non-E).

–        Clears made (= Non-E).

–        New public starts (= Non-E).

–        Staff Pay (= Non-E).

The Toronto Org has managed to stay alive only because two stats have not yet slipped into Non-Existence:

–        Gross Income (= Danger).

–        Number of Staff (= Danger).

As well, over the years continual emergencies arise in Toronto like:

–        Unpaid property taxes resulting in threats of being locked out.

–        Unpaid heating bills resulting in the heat being turned off (it’s Canada!).

–        No air conditioning (= unbearably hot auditing rooms and course rooms).

–        Plumbing failures resulting in degraded bathroom facilities.

–        Wasted money due to incompetent local management decisions (like $180,000 wasted on purchasing significantly unusable architectural plans for the new “Ideal Org” reno’s).

–        And no toilet paper!

The Org actually is a smelly near-corpse that should have died years ago.  But people of good will keep it going.  Dedicated, long suffering staff members perform mouth-to-mouth resuscitation every Thursday somewhere around two o’clock.

The basic history of this Org is straightforward.  Its heydays were the 1970’s.  That 10 year period produced several thousand public and several hundred staff (as Jim Logan will attest to).  I was one of them.  As was Jim.  And many of us are still around.  Myself and Jim included.  And Paul Staffer.

There was a gradual decline over the last thirty years.  Now, in 2012, there is a core group of about 200 Toronto Scientologists.  This group is made up of 30 year or 40 year veteran Scientologists and their offspring.  About 30 are on Toronto staff.  The rest make up the bulk of Toronto’s public.  There are about 35 active OT 7’s and 8’s.  There are about 15 staff and field auditors who actually audit others on grade chart actions.

This core group over the years has been abused.  They’ve been knocked around.  They’ve been through building fires and police raids and government trials and bad press and stupid ED’s and psychotic CO’s and staff rip-offs and suppressive quotas and wrong whys and weird evals and unrealistic promises and no heat and no toilet paper and no fun.

And still some of them are here.  Bedraggled.  Bruised.  But breathing.

In my opinion, these Toronto Scientologists only need three uninterrupted hours of truthful information regarding the world-wide Scientology scene to have a cognition. Given that cog, I am convinced they’d soon renounce current management and join the independent field.  But … it won’t happen.  It won’t happen for a very good reason.  The threat of disconnection.

These +30 year, +35 year, and +40 year Toronto Scientologists have their day-to-day routines, their families, their livelihoods, their friends, their associates solidly intermingled.  It’s almost incestuous.  Disconnection would cause any veteran Toronto Scientologist to lose everything and everybody he or she needs or values.

I know.  It happened to me.  It has been six months since I was declared.  In that time, my ex wife has not spoken to me.  My son has not spoken to me.  My daughter has not spoken to me.  My best friends have not spoken to me.  My employer has not spoken to me.  My doctor has not spoken to me.  My accountant has not spoken to me.

Luckily, my personal motto is:  “Be willing to experience anything.”

I am truly enjoying my state of “being disconnected from”.  Maybe I should go to the examiner and attest to something! (Joke.)  If somebody, anybody, disconnects from me given my beingness, then, it’s his loss and my gain.  Being a bad boy is bring back fond memories.  A plus point!  Might it be the same with you?

And I have long prepared for this disconnection.  I figured it was going to happen sooner or later.

In 2005, I left Flag without permission, without routing out, without my confidential materials, and without saying goodbye.  Flag was pissed!  I had been on the level for 13 months.  I then simply stopped auditing on OT 7.  I had had enough.  I had seen enough.  I knew something was wrong.  Very wrong.  But in 2005 it was only a vague knowingness.  I thought it was me!  I thought I must have fucked up.  Again.  You know, more overts.  More withholds. More mis-understoods.  But I was not going to let anyone touch me.  Handle me.  Convince me.  Re-hab me.  Sec check me.  In my mind I was going to withdraw (Theta/MEST theory) and think things through for a while.  On my own.

So I lied to people.  I lied to all the people who tried to get me to resume my auditing.  And from 2005 to 2011 that was close to probably thirty different people.  I lied to them all.  I made excuses.  I made vague promises to continue sometime in the future.  In other words, I stalled for time.  And peace.  Admittedly, I was still concerned about what life would be like after declare and disconnection.

Then in 2009 I watched all the videos of “The Truth Rundown” and began reading Marty’s blog.  I became a lurker.  And for the next two years I did some pretty serious research on the internet.  The main question that I personally wanted answered was: “What would cause a long-time SO member to actually leave the Church after so many years of dedication, persistence and loyalty?”  I reasoned that the answers to that question would reveal the big outpoints.  Perhaps even the biggest outpoint in all of Scientology.  I read so many personal stories of ex-SO members that I lost count.  I read all the posts.  All the comments.  All the books.  Watched  all the videos.  I got all the data I could.

And the answers were revealing.  The outpoints became obvious.  To me.

I then knew why I had stopped my solo auditing.  It was no longer vague.  It was concrete.  The pieces of the puzzle all fit.  It all made sense.  But it had taken me a total of five years.  And didn’t Marty say that he decompressed for four years?  Others have given similar time periods to get over the shock or whatever they needed to get over.

So for 5 years I had been preparing for my inevitable declare and disconnection.  It still shook me.

The Toronto Scientologists, with their lives so intimately connected with everything Scientological, are not so prepared.  And that’s why it is going to be so difficult for many of them to leave.  For many, almost impossible.  Inconceivable.

The fear factor is huge.  Is this similar in other orgs?

The heartening thing is that seven +25 year Toronto Scientologists, all OT’s, contacted me after I had been declared.  They acted independently of each other, of course.  It took courage.  I thanked them individually for that.  The conversations were not too long, just long enough.  Danger hung in the air palpably.  Each wished me luck.  Each voiced fears.  Thoughts.  Considerations.  And each expressed his or her own wish that the PT insanity would soon end. Peacefully.  With no blood (metaphorically).  But each, in his or her own way, acknowledged that being disconnected was not an option available to them.  He or she would avoid SP declaration and disconnection at all costs.  I did not press the point.  I ended by saying that I’d be in touch if anything really exciting happened.  Not one of these seven people told me not to get back in touch.

So … I think the following statement is exciting:

“ I, David Stokes, of Toronto, Canada, (not Boise, Idaho) declare that I am now an Independent Scientologist.”

So, I’ll be shortly getting back in touch with these seven Toronto OT’s and giving them this exciting news.  And Debbie Cook’s email.  More excitement!  We’ll see what happens.

Also, I invite any lurking Toronto Scientologist or any other Scientologist, veteran or neophyte, who wishes to communicate with me, on any subject whatsoever, Scientology or otherwise, local or worldwide, to email me.  My secure email address is:

Those who have known me well over the years know that I pride myself on my discretion.  Any comm given to me I treat as inviolable.  Sacred!

My secret plan is to facilitate a mass Toronto Scientologist declaration of Independence.  Twenty-five OT’s sounds about right.  Twenty-five Independent Beings announcing together that “the chains are off”,  “we are at cause, not effect” and “we think for ourselves”.  Perhaps unrealistic but a plan nonetheless.  Again, a secret plan.  So mum’s the word, please.

Any suggestions?

I wish you well,

Dave  (a.k.a.  Toronto Public)

236 responses to “Toronto – David Stokes

  1. Dave, a truly fantastic post! Very objective and analytical. I am so thankful and happy for what you have done. It took you 5 years and that’s a long time…. The more we get the faster this process will be for every Scientologist to have a cognition on what is really going on. Thanks.

  2. Way to go David! Good luck with helping more wake up. Don’t forget those stuck out in the woods of Mono, Ontario.

  3. Further on the Ideal Orgs scam.

    Miscavige showed up to “open” an “Ideal Org” in Florence, Kentucky (the “Cincinnati” org) before a crowd of less than 1000 people (according to their own press release) who came from across 5 states (this number does include his full personal security detail which was estimated as at least a dozen).

    As is his habit, he pompously spewed forth Shermanspeak(r) hypocrisy, including the following:

    “With the inauguration of this new Church comes a sacred pledge to employ the technology of Dianetics and Scientology in the same spirit with which L. Ron Hubbard originally forged it. Which is to say, to apply it broadly, unsparingly, indiscriminately and to the full extent of its power for bettering lives and uplifting populations by engendering kindness, compassion, nobility of the spirit and a love of humanity.”

    Miscavige pontificating on how his church engenders kindness, compassion, nobility and a love of humanity is beyond even his usual ability to lie with a straight face.

    The church press release also stated that this is the “third” new church to open this year — the other two being Sacramento and Hamburg. Hamburg? The one that was already a SH Size, Ideal Org? That one? Before even half the orgs have “IDeal” buildings he is recycling? How pathetic is this….

    • MR: Re: Hamburg, if I remember correctly, this was supposed to be a retrofit to include his handy-dandy humanity-less automatic-display Div 6 assembly-line, which did not exist when Hamburg was first proclaimed as an Ideal Org. While I am on the subject, I thought there was no much more he could do to shock me, but that faking of the opening of the Jaffa org for the IAS event actually did shock me. What did the Israeli Scientologists think of that, I wonder? I think if that one got out broadly to the existing loyal (coerced loyalty or otherwise) public, it would actually make some waves.

      • It was fraudulent and full of lies. I saw that video last year and it was quite impressive. “wow, they are really doing well!”. Another con from the con man.

    • Miscavige has finally done it: shit his own innards out.

    • Mike,

      Sorry I couldn’t make to the local grand opening of POB’s latest scam. I had a few other things to do like take out the garbage and buy toilet paper.

      Here’s the only local news coverage I could find:

      • Nice uptone ad for the church, showed only one reaction of “not quite sure of them”. Glad they showed Greta Van’s pic.

  4. Congratulations on your independence and thank you for sharing a thoughtful and inspirational announcement. Best wishes and may your transition be a smooth and happy one!

  5. David, You are really setting a good example and demonstrating integrity. To walk away knowing virtually every friend and many family members would disconnect from you — that takes guts. But it is the only workable solution. Out here in the real world, you have everything those inside lack: freedom, integrity, honor, happiness, understanding, observation, the ability to move up the Bridge, financial independence, health and one more thing.

    Toilet paper.

    Congratulations, David!

  6. Excellent post, Dave! I can tell you that the last few times I have been in ASHO, there was toilet paper! But that’s been a while, so I don’t know about now. :- )

    I did hear that they were remodeling ASHO again. Odd when they just remodeled it a few years ago and it looked more than fine to me. Yet they couldn’t afford to pay the very necessary medical expenses of their chief reg. Something wrong with that picture.

    Anyway, thanks for your post. And I love your secret plan.

    • Of course since the secret plan has been publicly revealed here, OSA will now run around to all the OTs in the field to warn them of David’s plan for them, and according to the footnuke theory of present-time Church ops, will spark interest in him and his plan by doing so.

  7. Jean-François Genest

    Dear David,
    Welcome to the Independents! Wow, extensive history & experience. You are a great writer. Thank you for your detailed account. I applaud your dedication to LRH Standard Tech, your integrity and your resilience! Thank you for repeatedly saying “NO!”

    I was in Toronto, in CMO Canada, from 1990 to 1991. I agree with your statement of the org having “stupid ED’s and psychotic CO’s” over the years. Plus, the absence of heat & air conditioning, and toilet paper ARE TRUE and no jokes. Indeed, it was common then as well to study in coats and mittens, and to keep a stash of napkins in our pockets (obtained from near-by restaurants).

    I once committed the “overt” of sneaking and turning on the heat at the request of org publics, even though the org & CLO didn’t have money to pay the heat bill. I got disciplined for that. *So much money was diverted for the on-going court case*. The Sea Org house on Orley Street where CLO staff slept didn’t have hot water due to non-payment of bills. Several SO Members would sneak into the shower in the org’s purif area very early in the morning or late in the evening, once or twice a week to bathe, even though it was “out PR”.

    • It was very funny to see the CLO finance clerk (Martine) scramble at lightening speed to turn the heat ON the day David Miscavidge and Marty as IG Ethics came to visit Toronto. RTC staff had such magic powers, which we all wished we could obtain if we ever made it up The Bridge to OT.

    Yes, there are several Independents in the region. Where I live we have 3 Federal penitentiaries right in town. If OSA agents are interested in visiting me, there is plenty of room to lodge them here. LRH books are borrowed on a regular basis from the public library here. The interest IS there. Good luck and I sure hope to meet you. JFG

  8. PT stats from a class 5 org:
    I have only been in a few years…had some wins…then came to PT for real and saw the truth.
    Here are the present time stats in the small Org I went to:
    Dead: 6 (2 were old) AFFLUENCE
    SP Declares: 7 (nice people just got fed up with the DON’T LOOK, DON”T ASK, DON”T TELL and NO- I will not be a SLAVE for FREE while you continue to CLEAR THE PLANET from all buildings of Churches of Scamonology. POWER
    Clears : NONE POWER
    OT VIII’s – 4 DANGER..cuz they know now the TRUTH and don’t come around. Is an OT VIII suppose to have any money at this stage or is it expected for them to be completely broke and in debt?? I believe that is the status quo of the OT VIII…knowing cause over their own failed purpose?

  9. that was a fun post to read, welcome out!

  10. Dave,
    Bravo on your posting. As you know Kris and I went through the same crap. Our three sons whom we never believed could did! We have been a tightly knit family and for them to disconnect has been an eye opener to see how brainwashed they could be. It reminds me of the good old days in Munich! Woopse giving away past track! Little NAZI youth turning their parents in to be gassed!

    • OneFlyingOverTheCuckoosNest

      Goes to show you clearing the planet ain’t in the cards. If we can’t even clear our own family’s, how how on earth do we clear the planet. It’s total control under DM.

      • OneFlyingOverTheCuckoosNest

        A clear thinks rationally, under his own control, for the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics. Right? A clear is basically good. Right? But, people are basically good, right?

  11. Awesome write up Dave and welcome to the Indie world!.
    Love your plan to create mass exits out of the Co$ in the Toronto area.

    Maybe coming out together “in blocks” might be the answer after reviewing all of the individual cross connections. Losing a dentist or some such due to illegal application of disconnection is easier to digest than the most immediate family members.

  12. FP (Financial Planning) $3021.50 : Staff Pay $50.00, Letters out $50.00, Date line $ 0.00, Phone bills $0.00, Electric bills $0.00, toilet paper $1.50, Fund Raising Buffet $20.00
    Events (Sheraton Grand Ballroom) $2900.00

    Yep…Same picture in Montreal !
    Congratulation on your coming out Mr. Stokes :)

  13. Hi, David. Thanks for sharing your story.

    You are luck that there are two Freezone auditors who are based in the Toronto area, Chris Black, Cl Viii, and Pierre Ethier, currently auditing in Ireland, who is a Class Xii.

    I don’t have their emails off hand, but you could check with to see if either listed there.

  14. Ciao David,
    Interesting stuff! I like´d the one with the toiletpaper, had a similar experience, was upsetting.

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  17. Hi, David! Wow. Wow. Thank you for looking. Thank you for speaking. Thank you for thinking!
    I joined staff at Narconon on 15 March1976 and left on 29 August 1989. I remember the precise moment when my brain turned back on and I began thinking for myself again. I’ll never forget it.
    I don’t have much to contribute to this discussion, because when I resigned from staff in 1989, I didn’t just leave staff and the org; I left Scientology. My letter, left on the HCO Area Secretary’s desk, read: “This is my resignation from the Church of Scientology. Not home. Gone bowling.”
    Val Densmore (a dear friend and my auditor) phoned once. No one else contacted me – until my SP declare arrived in the mail. At first, I was outraged: everything I was accused of was a lie. I fumed for 10 minutes. Then I started to laugh. Just think of it: I, a mere Clear, was so powerful that even OTs couldn’t risk talking to me! How awesome is that?!
    I’ve never looked back, and I’ve never regretted it.
    Wishing you all success in your pursuits!
    And, David, if you’re still in touch with Philippa, tell her I still think of her, still love her, and wish her well!

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  19. I would like to congratulate you, not only on your independence from the cult, but also on your very eloquent explanation of why you chose to disassociate yourself from it. I had no idea you could write so well. Of course, it has been (about) 40 years since I last saw you.

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