Final Reckoning – Cook v Miscavige

I have it on very good authority that David Miscavige is a seething wreck at the moment.

It seems over the past three days he has suddenly begun reckoning that in the last four months he has been taken to school, spanked hard, and sent home crying.  He has not quite yet come to grips that he has lead a bunch of immature boys against men.

Well, assuming he can get a grip on himself, this will be my final word on Scientology Inc v. Debbie Cook.

Below is the accounting for funds collected for the defense of Scientology Inc vs. Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten.  These are all of the funds received by me through this website and by mail and all of the disbursements for purposes of the Baumgartens’ defense.

I cannot account for any funds that were sent directly to Debbie Cook. I was never given access to the total figures received by the Baumgartens, let alone the details of the donations.

I do know that when they demanded that donations be made straight to them, they posted in writing the guarantee that any funds received would be returned upon conclusion of the case.  The case is concluded.  I understand from at least one donor that there is indication the guarantee will be honored provided donors send their addresses to Wayne and Debbie with a request.

I was asked by a donor to Debbie’s page whether receiving such money would be to receive blood money.  My answer was that I do not think that at all given the representations under which it was collected, other public representations on this blog by Debbie, and given my well educated estimation of what the defendants received.  I think not to get it back would be to saddle Debbie and Wayne with an overt that would plague them further on down the road.

I think that the energy of independents should be returned to them.

I so think that that should Miscavige obstruct that in any way, fashion or form all bets are off on the third paragraph of this post.

I never made any refund representation prior to soliciting donations for the defense.  I did two nights ago when more than one person expressed in blog comments disappointment with how the funds were utilized.

Since last night more than one person has offered to help me cover refunds (as you can see from the accounting virtually all funds received were spent on the Baumgartens’ defense) since I don’t have the money to do so.

I have a record of every person who made donations to the Indies defense fund through my paypal account and by check mailed to me. I do not have addresses for you.  For purposes of my record keeping I need to issue checks for refunds. If you want your money back from the Indies Defense Fund I collected the initial monies from please send your name and address to me at  along with the amount you donated and I will issue and mail you a check from the defense fund account.  Please have patience since as you can see the account is nearly empty.


14 Checks and cash payments received:                     3,400.00

72 Paypal donations:                                                         9,665.00

less 3.2% Paypal handling fee:                                       (309.28)

Total received                                                                      12,755.72


Check R Jeffrey retainer     13 Feb                                  5,000.00

Check R Jeffrey retainer    27 Feb                                   5,000.00

Rinder Tampa/S.A. round trip airfare Jan                       996.85

Rinder Tampa/S.A. round trip airfare Feb                       996.85

Check to R Jeffrey  12 March                                                600.00

Total disbursements                                                             12,593.70

balance Indie Defense Fund                                                    162.02

A final note on Debbie Cook and the impact of her having stood up.  My final reckoning is prompted by my need to move on. There are ripple effects created by Debbie’s email and court testimony that are being cultivated into waves that will make the first four months of 2012 look like child’s play.

Until then, until the end,

277 responses to “Final Reckoning – Cook v Miscavige

  1. Very Well Done Marty and company,
    I am contributing to your fund and offer further support.
    It takes whatever it takes .
    Been in a few battles, helps to have a good crew to
    John Wayne it when the need arises.
    M&M are Top Guns

  2. For all of you out there feeling the pain of the gross out-tech of the Sec Checking David Miscavige orders done to interfere with those on the Advanced Levels, here’s something for you.

    “Supposing you as an auditor pledged yourself never to pay any attention to the preclear
    but to only pay attentions to the circuits which are criticizing him inside his head, the circuits which were invalidating him every time he said, “You know; I’m a pretty good fellow” and something said to him, “Oh, no you’re not.” And ifyou never paid any attention to “I’m a pretty good fellow;” the fellow says, but only to these other things that were invalidating him and so forth, you would find your career as an auditor perhaps interesting but not very successful. The results on cases would be very poor.”

    “What, for instance, is a guilt complex but a circuit? Well, that is the total goal of psychoanalysis: eradication of a guilt complex.” Tape, 10 Dec 54, Practice of Dianetics and Scientology.

    So, it would seem not only has David Miscavige become a pissyiatrist, he’s one-upped them as he runs IN guilt complexes. Yay Dave, Mr. Psych Plus. That whole resistance thing didn’t work much for ya did it D. Snapped terminals, yessir, ya did.

    • ” So, it would seem not only has David Miscavige become a pissyiatrist, he’s one-upped them as he runs IN guilt complexes. ” JL

      There is much more to come about these “tech” out-points, much more specifics to come. These are tedious times just now, it’s a mine (mind) field. It doesn’t hurt a thing at this point to be wise and deliberate about it all.

      There are many who see, and Miscavige’s day is coming, as he himself might say; make no mistake.

    • Li'll bit of stuff

      Yesssss! Jim! Nice job with the fault diagnosis! Biggest one
      turned out to be the friggin’ circuit installer hisself!

    • Ahahahah Jim,
      Good one!

  3. Something occurred to me: There was a comment by Debbie during the hearings – it was her saying she didn’t realize she had rights until she talked to her lawyer. Humm… What could that mean?

    This is my take on it – Debbie goes to the lawyer about the NDA violation. After Ray reads it and then talks to her, he finds out about the way she as coecerced into signing it. Then he finds out about her time in the hole. That is a clear and obvious criminal act. A major violation of her rights. The question becomes how to get the church to pay, and pay dearly.

    So he sets a trap – in the hearing he has her recount her imprisonment in the hole. The NDA is instantly toast, the church bails from the courtroom. Next they try to mess with him, so he lets the VV and others post some stuff. She does the TV interview. It gets splashed all over the media. They get the message: pay up or this will get dragged into open court and the church will be really embarassed.

    Thus, the Church pays her big time, the injunction is approved by the court. Justice has been done.

    Good for her.


    • Applause. Only correction: where you say “the Church” substitute David Miscavige.

    • Excellent play-by-play analysis, Mimsey. End result? Somewhere in the California desert, a midget tyrant sits seething in anger at having his O/Ws splashed across the internet, and having been made to PAY for the privilege.

      Oh, and he was also humiliated by being out-snookered at his own game, to boot.

    • Mimsey,
      Seems her original intent was to find a way to correct the outpoints observed in the CO$ by communicating to parishioners with her open letter.

      My observation is that justice has not been done (money paid in exchange for silence is not justice IMHO) and perhaps her viewpoint has changed from the experience and she considers that it may not be possible to correct the existing church so WTF … take the money and run.

      For me justice will be done when the diminutive one has been brought to task. I will help and work to that end until it is accomplished.

      • Hi Newcomer, my point is she got justice for being held captive in the hole, for being physically abused etc. Sure she started out trying to put ethices in on DM et al, but when she talked to her lawyer, and that went by the wayside.Her rights were violated by DM’s blatently criminal acts, and her lawyer went into junkyard dog mode and bit Dave in the butt.

        Still, her NYE email was a coup of sorts, and the media exposure of her abuse at DM’s hands IMO was a good product. Despite Nero’s pr agents, Rome wasn’t burned to the ground in a day.


  4. Cured Robot Betsy

    I have to thank Debbie Cook for her NY’s email I forwarded that got Mike & I declared. It propelled us out from under the suppression and the resultant major de-PTSing and life altering wins. I’m just one of the many who gained from what she did, therefore I cannot wish her any ill will. I’m sorry it ended the way it did and I too thought “WTF happened.” We’ll know someday but in the meanwhile many thousands will benefit from what she did but didn’t have to.

    Marty says, “There are ripple effects created by Debbie’s email and court testimony that are being cultivated into waves that will make the first four months of 2012 look like child’s play.” Ok, what came down was major and not child’s play by any means but if what you are saying comes to fruition then we’ll all kneel and thank the God’s.

    Marty says “He (DM) has not quite yet come to grips that he has lead a bunch of immature boys against men.” So true, DM is a pussy that beats on people who are defenseless to fight back using his thugs around him for enforcement to protect his sorry ass. Real men would stand up and say “stop enough”, so yes OSA you other immature idiots that have no powers of observation are screwed!

    • “major de-PTSing and life altering wins.” Can’t beat that!! Congratulations.

    • Betsy – Very good points. After decompressing I realized getting declared was probably the kindest thing they have done FOR (not to) me since my original Div 6 courses in the mid 80s

    • Dear Cured Robot Betsy,

      I really got what you said about being grateful for getting Declared. I felt the same way. I was trying to keep the comm lines going with my 3 boys so I compromised my integrity and kept my mouth shut as much as I was able to. It was very unsatisfactory to have to be careful about what you said with your own children. Reminded me of what it must have been like in NAZI Germany for parents of NAZI Yourth. Finally when one of them turned us in to the Gestapo (OSA) we got declared and the amount of relief I experienced was overwhelming. I got ME back! I had been enabling my kids just like a wife of an Alcoholic would by walking on eggshells. At least now my kids knew what I stood for and could have no doubt that I did not support the SUPPRESSIVE ORGANIZATION OF SCIENTOLOGY any longer. Yes, I would no longer have them in my life for now but at least I would be an anchor for them when they finally discover where they are (on a dingy out in the middle of an ocean of lies, out Tech, out Ethics and out Admin). The best thing I could do for them was to hold my position in space.
      Tough love is a bitch!

      • Cured Robot Betsy

        My hat’s off to you guys, that took a lot of unbelievable courage. I believe they will come to their senses eventually, it’s inevitable as things are so squirrely/suppressive within that the truth will eventually prevail.

        • I would have to have the same view as you Cured Robot Betsy.
          Debbie’s actions were tremedous hopefully.
          What Dm has done to the church and to its parishers. appears to show the Church is only now in the Business of Property money making
          it certaintly has not got its purpose in tact at all. Applying the HCO PL on Keeping Scientology Working is not in .
          These overts catch up on some one in the long run / physically and mentally and sooner rather than later. with such a falsehood image being held there and public being fooled time will tell , and then lets see how he likes a test of his own medcine brutely used by him towards another mentally and spiritual togther with his lies.
          The thought of the truth coming to light at some stage has to be thought postively . If Dm thinks he is on the winning road thats a Large NO. .

  5. Dear Marty,
    Thanks for the exact accounting and all. Regarding our small contribution, we got more than our money’s worth. Besides it was a gift with a purpose.
    If you get any refunds from Debbie (as she promised), please use ours to pay the wonderful and incredible Ray Jeffery a little more money, or re-imburse yourself and Mike something for the expenses you obviously incurred but didn’t mention in the accounting during your stay in San Antonio, or just put it in an Indie defense fund.

    In other words, keep it ‘Til The “End”.

    Definition of “End” = “an outcome worked toward with forethought, deliberate planning, and organized effort; Purpose.” -Websters

  6. I think Marty’s cul de sac was ground zero for the future of Scientology. And I think this blog created the theta making it safe for Debbie to speak out on New Year’s day. I also feel the near future has many more turning their backs on Miscavige. I’d like to see Rick Moxon be the next person to call it quits with Miscavige. How about it Rick?

  7. For David,

    Hey Buddy, I am having a great time on this side of the fence. I know you envision yourself as the sole heir to L. Ron Hubbard’s fortune. But hey, me thinks of myself as an heir since I get it, you know, the Scientology?
    I can think with it. I used it and sorted myself out. I’ve got the magic buddy! This is going to last for eternity! It’s under my thumb.

    I’m glad you are happy with what you went for. Property management and slave inheritance. I really never wanted to inherit that or it would be under my thumb. See, there is really no need for all of this because we never really wanted the same things.

    The magic, the love, is traveling with us and the mest is traveling with you. Not really a problem for us. The good times never looked so good!

    • P.S. David, re: the real estate, just remember the moral of the story of the three little pigs:

      The one that used brick got stuck with the other two stupid pigs.

    • Oracle – Wow! Just wow! LFBD here when I read your post. Couple of huge cogs too. Thanks for the session :)

    • TO – A mere few thousand years ago mankind had doped out how to use iron. Another few thousand before we got steel. Today, handling recycling I tossed out all kinds of alloys that came with products from all around the world, then checked to see what the semiconductors held in memory. For all the technological advances, mankind still has not doped out how to stop hostilities and, beyond that, how to live ethically – until LRH cracked the reactive mind’s codes, and defined Scientology. Even with that, we still trip, fall, blame, and fight. Amazing. The simple facts are that the technology of the mind and spirit lagged far behind other technologies; it was so difficult to develop! That difficulty which impeded its development is that which we are up against, in trying to Clear abberation. It indicates the difficulty of the problems we face, and each of now does face those problems. The fourth dynamic problem that some would oppose that which would enable them to be free. Gradually, we are making headway towards better ethics, but today what we have in Scientology, is a giant leap forward. It is a VERY big Bridge. The Golden Gate bridge dwindles to insignificance, as regards the quality of thought; the one small step for man of the lunar landing is tiddlewinks by comparison. For the individual, each small step up the Bridge constitutes one giant leap for mankind, and though we recycle alloys that a few hundred years ago were impossible dreams as if nothing, we should not forget where we came from, nor our achievements in the present. All the writers alluded to here had visions and dreams, and the public seizes on these. Today, in Scientology, we are truly going where no man has gone before, and each individual has a chance to be part of it all. The visions of many hundreds of thousands of years are materializing in each session. Scientology should never have been chained to copyrights and trademarks, nor should individuals ever have been led around by rings implanted into their noses. Someone commented correctly that there is a kind of political mind of the populace, that directs. There is more than that: I believe there is basic goodness of man that directs. The ocean looks so placid, so welcoming, we bathe and splash in our native goodness everyday, unconscious of our power. – Carcha.

  8. Marty – I was more than happy to donate and have not changed my mind. The money , in my opinion, was put to very good use and I am glad you gave me the opportunity to be included.

  9. If you go back and read
    “Lisa McPherson was killed at the Flag Land Base
    “David Miscavige killed Lisa McPherson.”
    in the context of the Debbie Cook settlement, it makes more sense if Debbie actually had the goods on DM. All crimes *except* murder have clocked out via the statute of limitations.

    The mystery in this whole business is why DM ever became involved in Lisa’s case at all. It’s akin to the pope taking an interest in a run of the mill Catholic.

    If Marty and Mike were to think about it, they might *also* figure out why DM took this interest in Lisa–something kept so tight that even Mike didn’t know about it until after he left the Sea org. (Hint, it had to do with her job, not her case.)

    • Keith,I think you’d a whole lot happier if you just observed what you observe rather than constructing monster conspiracy theories behind the obvious.

  10. FCDC Class of 74

    I agree with Cindy we have more to do! There will be more attacks on beings oppressed by the Corporate Crap they are calling their church. That money I sent was for what in your estimation Marty was a need in the indie movement. If someone really needs it than help them out. We do need a war chest or defense fund although I’d prefer we were on the giving end so call it what you like. If you need more I will try again – friend.

  11. Miscavige, you know, we all leave the body at some point. And our legacy is all we really leave to posterity.
    And when you leave this earth you will take with you the pain and suffering you caused to others. Memories do not go away.

    The harm we do to others then become a form of self punishment. It’s exacting law. We all made and agreed too it.

    Even if you do not think you have done anything wrong it does not in any way excuse you from it’s repercussion.

    This is an appeal to that part of you that knows. I believe you do.

    Dave, within the insular world of your position it’s easy to believe that all this is real. And having people around you in fear of you only serves to validate this lie.

    Dave one day you will be gone, how do want to be remembered?

    I don’t hate you.

    • Nice post Brian. The posterity he leaves his legacy to, is himself. His own future is in his hands.

    • That’s a wonderful and heartfelt comm, Brian, but Miscavige is far too low toned to duplicate it. He’s buried under a blackness that does not admit that high quality of light.

      • I can only try. Somewhere in him is the same truth as in us. Not having the same history as you all with him, gives me a fresh naivety to see his good parts. Like a mother for her criminal son. May the light of goodness overcome him. It’s good to vibrate that from time to time.

        • Agreed, but at present, I’m in a state of no sympathy toward that monster.

          • I understand Ronnie. What you all have been through, yeeiiiks!

          • miscavigeisscaredofsam

            Ditto. Even if I ‘should’ I don’t.
            I have never before met a man who has no redeeming qualities. Miscavige is the first and his eradication from the human race would bring benefit to all and harm to none.

  12. Marty, I want no re-imbursement. I think those that feel burned should look at it in this perspective, and see if they still feel burned:
    Imagine that originally you were asked to donate whatever amount you donated for the following, nothing more:
    1) One of the most iconic Sea org members/Scientologists of the past 20 years will send an email to large list of Scientologists detailing the squirreling and perversion of Scientology tech and policy by Miscavige and those acting at his behest, and additionally detailing abusive and potentially illegal treatment by Miscavige of herself and other Sea org members.
    2) This person will additionally testify to the same in open court with media present, and this will back down the Church/Miscavige publicly.
    3) This person will additionally make one major media appearance covering the same information.
    That is all she will do.
    All anyone has to ask themselves is, if I knew in advance that this was exactly what my donation would cover, would I have been happy to make it?
    To me it seems like a good exchange, but others may have varying opinions based on their own ultimate expectations and the amount they donated and their judgment of whether they got value for their money.

  13. TroubleShooter

    Christ Marty, that music choice reached deep inside. It touched a place that I now know still has some intense emotions of feeling alone, stopped, betrayed, stupid, gullible and angry…amazing how the aesthetics can reach. It’s easy to see the gains that were made by the testimony. We would not have seen that day without your actions. As for my feelings about Debbie and Wayne, it feels to me like they signed over their souls to the devil this time which would obviously prevent my embrace of the immediate situation they were in with absence of resources, personal health matters and both mother’s needs clamoring for attention. A rock and a hard place doesn’t seem to do justice for the position they were in.

    I’m here till the end too. Onward and upward.

  14. Just found this one while working on something else. Think it might be of interest.
    “You will find that persons who are having a rough time or giving others one are either just leaving or haven’t arrived on the post. In other words they in some way are not actually ON post.
    It is also an oddity that those who have to go to point B haven’t arrived ever at point A in order to be able to go to point B.
    The ability to BE something strongly shows up in post performances. The real stars can BE anything wholly and completely for short or long periods. They ARE what they are being. They aren’t just arriving or leaving.
    To BE OR Unbe, that is the ability! To not quite be or to WAS is the aberration. L. Ron Hubbard” (HCO PL 8 Sept 1971, Instability, OEC Vol 7, p. 810)

  15. Interesting legal analysis of the injunction over on Village Voice.

  16. Random Stranger

    “It seems over the past three days he has suddenly begun reckoning that in the last four months he has been taken to school, spanked hard, and sent home crying.”

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Wow! Testimony really for the first time on video in a court of law that David Miscavige committed and condoned violence and torture??? By the Goddess Debbie Cook, loved by parishioners across the globe? Wow!

    I wonder if the parishioners of the church think along the lines of, “Gee whilliker, that rough old world out there sure can drive a Sea Org member crazy when they leave the church!”

    Marty is an artist. His fabian approach to waving his magic wand over a given situation and having it emanate a certain different refreshing type of vibe, a better vibe, that’s cool. Pristine. Very cool.

    There’s no controlling what other mind-wrecked victims of trauma and blackmail may or may not do.

    • Theo Sismanides

      RS, love your language! Marty is an artist… ! A refreshing vibe in Scientology in the 21st century.

      Nice wording, RS!

  17. thomasjefferson8008

    IMHO those of us who helped made a donation of time and/or money. A donation is a gift with an intended purpose. When you give someone a donation, it is now theirs to use toward that intended purpose. The donation does not guarantee a predictable outcome.

    In this case, the money donated to the “fund” through Marty was used properly, and in my opinion, every penny was well spent and well accounted for. Any of a number of ourcomes could have resulted. Just because the outcome wasn’t what you postulated doesn’t mean you are entitled to a refund.

    Personally, I was happy to help. Legal proceedings are always a gamble. If Debbie & Wayne got a boatload of money, oh well…at least they didn’t get dragged through hell and back and make Davie look good.

    Any reasonably normal person who reads the “agreement” can see that it is the “church” (ie DM) who has something to hide…not Debbie and Wayne.

    This was a BIG win. Sure it could have been bigger…but none-the-less…it was big and we all need to take a win on it :O)

    Again…Just my opinion.

  18. Not asking for my bit back but if it shows up, I will forward it to you. The money was earmarked for this battle and deserves to stay in this battle.


  19. With a sword made from atomic steel in one hand and a crumpled up policy letter clutched in anger in the other, Debbie Cook delivered an effective blow to the femoral artery of the IAS. I for one am not going to snivel that I didn’t get to see more bloodshed at her expense. She has every right to stop playing a game; she has every right to communicate and not communicate to whomever – you know and I know it. She may not ever talk to any of us again but she’ll hear my standing ovation as she walks away. Lisa Tighe

  20. Random thought only because I can:

    Be so happy, so enthusiatic about life that all external darkness crumbles beneath the weight of your joy!

    No matter your external money condition, relation condition etc. realize the power of Self Realization. Knowing Self.

    What joy, what benevolent power.

    Onwards to ever increasing levels of freedom and happiness!!!

    What joy, what beauty!!!

  21. I’d still like to know the full significance of what Debbie Cook meant when she wrote,

    “But I am still an important part of the biggest cover up in Scientologyhistory. And for that, I expect a certain quid pro quo.”

    • nom,
      This is an allusion to the cod piece, now part of standard issue to all males in or around David Miscavige and Jenny Linson’s brand. That’s the “cover up”. The quid for the quo I can guess at, and it would involve lucre, or possibly, a nice 22hp John Deere lawn tractor, with the 70s mesh back ball cap of course.

  22. Re “I have it on very good authority that David Miscavige is a seething wreck at the moment.” — who audits COB or flies his ruds?

  23. I donated some bucks directly to Debbie, I should have listened to my wife that told me that as the Captain of FSO she got so many overts with enforcing GAT, 3 swings F/Ns, regging etc., that she isn’t clean and I shouldn’t trust her, as she was part of the biggest maker of the RCS.
    Yes, her show in the court room was a big thing and worth the money paid.

    I don’t understand the whole matter. Why did she send that E-mail ?
    Why did she accept the help of Marty in the last minute and then suddenly send him to hell ?
    Why did she again sign a NDA ?
    Why can it be possible that the american justice system gives out such an inhuman injunction ?
    I thought America respects human rights !
    Why did her lawyer that had such a big mouth in the beginning become totally silent ?
    Just questions I’ve. I can’t understand it, neither rationalize it.

    The only thing I see is that the american justice system (the government) isn’t working and not interested in establishing the real truth, but is effect to hordes of lawyers. Neither is the lawyer of Debbie interested in the real truth, also not Debbie. All combined created a Huge enturbulation, that I hope for one day they’ll get the bill for it.

    It has been my experience from the beginning on, as a member of COS in 1974, that many times I just didn’t understand how certain Scientologists were behaving or what they were doing. Sometimes I was effect of those actions. Just couldn’t rationalize it, I always justified it by thinking that they must have their logical reasons for the craziness and I’m to dumb to understand it.

    I’m totally healed from that justification and can confront it as that what it really is; abberation or evilness. It hasn’t to be rationalized but just confronted. Crazy is crazy, evil is evil.

    Honesty and truthfulness is a luxe that not many governments or people can afford.

    The USA has still a long way to go to become honest and really implement Human rights in their constitution and write the protecting laws (300 years ?).

    There is no government on earth that has implemented the universal declaration of human rights in it’s constitution, neither do they have the appropriate laws to protect them.

    Instead of speculating of what happened or what went on my conclusion to the whole matter is:
    ” There is still lots of work to do and I’ll work more harder on being truthfully and honest and will ask the same from my environment.”

    Neither the court or Debbie or her lawyer and neither the RCS will tell the simple truth of what really went on.

    The lesson learned is : clean hands make a happy life.

    Simplicity in itself !

    • Your humble servant


      Thanks for that heartfelt statement, although I don’t precisely share your viewpoint! I do agree that there’s still a lot unknown about the whole thing.

    • Nice selection of questions Lo. I’ve asked myself similar ones over the past 30 years too. It seems apparent if one expects sanity and honesty from a Govt. or vested interest one is kidding oneself in a make believe game or attempting to alloy the truth. It takes a pretty gutsy being to follow the line in which honesty leads.
      The group known as the CofS was meant to provide a safe space in which to allow the journey towards truth, they do have the tech for it. That door has been closed for some time. The resulting confusion is what we see and are trying to justify and deal with right now. As I see it the gradient scale to truth gets pretty steep & spinny when one gets embroiled in the squabbles of thetans taking sides and insisting on being right. There is a big, big difference between red on white & green on white – that’s appears to have been very much blended and a “new” way to view things such as the handling of Debbie Cook etc has emerged. Her actions require the simple approach of a standard ethics officer (a lost tech ?), is something missing in this whole cycle. What the f..k have courts of law got do with the truth! History will prove this all out, 100 years from now will the only record of this be in Court Records! Yes, the 3rd Dyn must be confronted but at what price, overts at that level sure do have a sting to them. Marty seems to be a good example of operating with sanity at that level.
      The ability to as-is especially as one progresses higher with the tech is a delicate thing. It can get lost so very, very easily. Take away the meat body considerations on what the apparency of what $urvival is and that gives some sort of indication there is something else the tech handles. Sell that off and, well… the abyss awaits.
      Two beings being standard together are a far greater survial source than thousands of agreeable squirrels.

    • LO

      Some information that may assist you in answering some of your questions:…

      question 1: “Why did she accept the help of Marty in the last minute and then suddenly send him to hell ?”
      Ans: Don’t see any evidence that Debbie “sent Marty to hell” or anywhere else that he did not choose to go.

      Ques 2: “Why can it be possible that the american justice system gives out such an inhuman injunction?”
      Ans: The agreement is not a court generated document. They were apparently simply “filing it” legally.

      Ques 3: “Why did her lawyer that had such a big mouth in the beginning become totally silent ?”
      Legal council is actually working for their client. They are required by law to do so, no matter what their personal opinions are. Ray Jeffreys almost certainly had a lot to say about the inadvisability of signing that document. However he has no power to stop it if his client agrees. Again, his signature does not mean he is agreeing with it, merely that he was there when it was signed.

      Eric S

      • Dear Windwalker

        You have such a poetic name :)

        Your answers, even I can understand them, but as a simple thetan I just want to know the truth !
        Your answers that are logical, reasonnable and well explained puts one into apathy and that’s it.
        If I accept them my mind is just spinning !!!!!

        In the RCS I have heard thousands of this kind of answers and I just went into appathy as a thetan accepting all kinds of illogics !

        I’m over that now and just diagree with it and don’t buy all those well thought out answers.

        I freed myself from the RCS no more accepting all those explanations, but also I’ll not accept well thought out explanations from lawyers, judges and governments and from whoever !

        I’m dreaming about a world where there is open communication, real justice and the truth present!

        “You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one. I hope some day you’ll join us, and the world will live as one.” (Imagine, John Lenon)

        I think also the Indies have to wake up about our world and not buy into the social veneer.


        • LO,

          Though the new NDA/settlement on the surface may appear as a loss and the Church will likely attempt to use it to keep the sheep in the pen – it is suspect in itself.

          I doubt that people will continue to be that stupid.

          I find the TRUTH of Debbie’s intentions in the overall results which occurred from her actions in the last 4 months.

          Debbie’s Actions:
          – Debbie Cook exposed the Church’s abuses despite personal danger through her New Years Eve email, internet postings, testimony under oath, TV Interviews and counter- sued the Church – with a hard hitting seven page interrogatory.
          – Debbie upheld her promise to protect the anonymity of her supporters.
          – Wayne and Debbie settled with the church by once again giving up their right to speak out on the subject.

          – Debbie’s email stirred up the hornet’s nest, prompting foot nuke after foot nuke by the Church.
          – Her testimony given under oath was widely made public through articles and video coverage. – Media around the world picked up her story; publishing articles and televised interviews which documented and detailed the abuses.
          – Parishioners were reached and were inspired to also speak out and IMO it is too soon to see the magnitude of the overall affect created.
          – Documented evidence of the Church’s Non-disclosure documents,
          requiring one to give up their god given rights – if they want to stay in the fold – is now public domain.
          – Debbie and Wayne have lost their rights to further speak out.

          Me thinks that the good resulting from Debbie and Wayne’s actions far out weigh the bad.


          You’re NOT the only one…I’m a dreamer too!


        • LO

          I can see that I had only given you my viewpoint on a few of the simpler questions but have failed to address the larger issue.

          Regarding the larger issue, Yes, I must say there is definitely a lot of “growing up” to do on the third and forth dynamics. “The whole truth, and nothing but the truth” is pretty much non existent in any sector.

          But, though the road is long, and sometimes the going rough, I think progress is being made. By bringing individual beings gradiently closer to truth, we should eventually approximate the world that you envision.

          I too am a dreamer…

          Eric S

        • I really like where you are coming from LO. Not the easiest concept to get into text what you are trying to say – i.e. what true Scientology has to offer.
          There’s an inbuilt mechanism in this MEST universe that makes its occupants protect themselves from everyone else in it. The degrees and variations to that are endless. But postulates and live communication not being part of this universe sure give a way of handling it and your use of those tools is like a breath of fresh air.
          Even the tigers have a hard time here but keep it simple, keep it standard and a path out materialises.
          I really like it when someone turns down the volume on demanding/dramatizing solutions to unsolvable situations and communicates instead. Ahh… ARC what a tool!

    • “Instead of speculating of what happened or what went on my conclusion to the whole matter is:
      ” There is still lots of work to do and I’ll work more harder on being truthfully and honest and will ask the same from my environment.”

      LO, I agree there is still allot of work to do; but, I think that Debbie and Wayne sure made a huge dent into the task of getting parishioners to wake up.


    • I think you should know by now that what you have observed with ‘kinds of people who take over in Scientology’, LRH did as well .. during the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s.. as he built the OEC/FEBC course to confront it.

      There is no question that cleared-cannibals are eating up the core politic of the Scientology body. LRH advised, time and again, that if you make a cannibal clear you better take responsibility for one thing, and one thing only: getting that cat in the Auditing chair, wearing the Auditor hat.

      Thats not really been happening, and now we’re really seeing why its so important. Too many Clears and OT’s of the 70’s and 80’s, and even before that, never once put the damn cans in the PC’s hands and uttered the words “This is the session..” – instead, choosing to create their lives through the means of affluences gained from means more traditionally aligned with middle-class society’s purposes: finance, investment, insurance, medicine, etc.

      If every single person who ever wrote on the page, “I am OT __” also included “, Auditor, Class VI” we would have much, much better things to talk about than whether DM is suppressing us all. We’d have actual, realy, delivery.

      And in the end, if we want Scientology to survive, we have to deliver. End of question.

  24. miscavigeisscaredofsam

    Off Topic (but on earlier topic) there was something hanging up my attention on that injunction:
    Part 3A orders that Debbie (and concert) are forbidden to engage in:
    “Disclosing any non-public information, data or knowledge they have learned or will learn about the organization including…
    … their priest-penitent privileged communications,….”
    Why would that need to be included in a legal contract? Surely the codes and creeds of the church forbid such activity? Or has there already been some kind of precedent set by the ‘Church’ already regarding this activity. Or is someone just scared of what others might know about them… Davey?….
    By the way (Davey) – could we get my daughter’s PC folders back from OSA please? Just return them to Jeff Avrin (or Carol Kingsley) at Mace Kingsley and tell him he can give it back to either of Paloma’s parents. There’s nothing in a 12 year old’s PC folder that could possibly be of any use to you.
    How was the scotch? Reminds me. I owe Jackson a beer.

    • Your humble servant


      “Disclosing any non-public information, data or knowledge they have learned or will learn about the organization including…
      … their priest-penitent privileged communications,….”

      This is actually a nonsensical statement and nobody could truthfully say what it was intended to mean. The “organization” does not have any priest-penitent privileged communications. Those belong solely to the parishioners. So, if it is interpreted as a prohibition against “Disclosing the organization’s priest penitent communications,” that just doesn’t make any sense because the “organization” doesn’t have any, never had any, and never will have any. Besides, It is exclusively the “organization” that has been guilty of disclosing parishioner’s confidential communications and using them against them. So, I guess this is one of those instances of a criminal accusing others of what he himself has been doing.

      • miscavigeisscaredofsam

        “So, I guess this is one of those instances of a criminal accusing others of what he himself has been doing.”
        Ya think? ;)

    • Please note the completely perverted “definition” given for “non-public information” a bit later: “As used in this judgment “non-public information” means information which has not been authorized to be published or revealed either to general Church of Scientology parishioners, to staff or the general public. ….”
      This leaves only their own propaganda, as it looks to me.

  25. The same old LDW

    The mystery sandwich is sticking to me like glue. I can’t help but wonder if dave has enough dirt on Debbie to make the quid pro quo a simple matter of we agree to shut up about you as long as you agree to shut up about us.

    In the final analysis, they are implanting each other with “musn’t tell, musn’t reveal, don’t say anything, shut up, keep quite, communication is dangerous…”

    My respect for Marty and Mike is out the roof. I’m gaining a whole new view of just how much you guys have put your necks on the line with what you are doing. Your refusal to take the blood money and shut up under any circumstances is bloody admirable to the nth degree.

    Steve, Jeff, the Hedley’s, Sinar…all of you, my hat’s off in a new unit of time.

    Personally, I applaude Debbie for taking it as far as she did. Whatever the reason for the abrupt end of that cycle, her exposure of the the truth she exposed was a wonderful accomplishment. Personally, I would have donated everything I own to see her testimony in front of a jury in Texas.

    One other thing that has been done is this. David Miscavige has caused to be published in a court document that he absolutely does not in any way agree with or apply the Creed of Church of Scientology. In his own statement ending the Debbie affair, he’s stated that “we of the church believe that all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others,” is crap and he does not believe it or follow it. He is no scientologist, his cult does not follow the creed and his cult is no longer in any way, shape or form a “church of scientology.”

    If the boys at are correct in their analysis of the composition of the “church,” then david miscavige has just neutered himself all the way up to his neck.

    Talk about a bitter apostate.

    • Les,
      A ‘mystery’ is a mystery because of no answer. By definition. No answer hangs up the being as he’s flowing to the thing ‘hey, what the hell are you’. There isn’t any ‘you’ in the mystery, so it can’t answer. The continuous flow sticks. Then one ‘snaps’ to the thing as the space collapses. Then one is to some degree the ‘mystery’, with no answer.

      Try Hello and OK on it. See the 9th ACC tape, 9 Dec 54, Communication Formula. See also the process run at the end of the tape.

      • Here’s something from that 9th ACC tape:
        “Let’s summate it by saying a one-way flow to anything with the idea that it should answer-remember that one-will eventually stick one in or a.rthat thing. And we have the formula of entrapment:
        A one-way flow to any thing, any space, any object would eventually stick or entrap one IN or AS that thing. Now, if this is the case, it sticks up there like a very, very red, sore thumb. But all we have to do is furnish some answers to free somebody entirely. All right?”

    • It reminds one of the 3 apes: 1) I hear nothing 2) I see nothing 3) I won’t say nothin’. doesn’t it?

  26. Marty, Can you post Debbie’s mailing address as her web page is now down as you know. Thank you.

  27. Transporter,

    Here her bussiness website with all infos:

  28. Random Stranger



    1) The C of S agrees to not slander, lie about or attack any current, former or future parishioner or staff member, unless it wants to.

    2) The C of S agrees to not kick, punch, slap, humiliate, throw to the floor, spit on, make-lick-bathroom nor degrade in any way any parishioner or staff member ever, unless it wants to.

    3) The C of S agrees to cease bending its staff members fingers back, unless it wants to.

    4) The C of S agrees to the following in particular with regard to Debbie Cook and Wayne Baumgarten: (unless it doesn’t want to)

    a) No more looking through Debbie’s trash
    b) No more marching back and forth in front of their house
    c) No more trying to destroy their business
    d) No more harassing their lawyer
    e) No more punishment for speaking up
    f) Plenty of PIs to provide the Baumgartens with security
    g) Some secret dough
    h) John Deere tractor with 70′ mesh baseball cap
    i) Yearly Christmas card from DM
    j) Free Super-Celebrities Gone Wild Confessional Videos from Gold

    5) The C of S agrees to not make any more changes to the definition of an F/N or the basic books, unless it wants to.


  29. I appreciate wanting to put a good face on what happened in order to avoid discouraging those who worked so hard for Cook and against corporate Scientology. However, I think you were more accurate when you wrote your post dated 4-25-12. “It does have evil value in that Miscavige can utilize it internally as a club with which to intimidate people in similar situations that Debbie and Wayne faced in leaving the cult – the Hacienda video-taped agreement signing ceremony. It will have an in terrorem effect upon the clueless. No doubt Miscavige has told those in Int Management and OSA INT who know of the case that this “judgment” is the fact – Debbie received nothing and wound up with a Permanent Injunction against her. And so it will be used to keep those folk in the pen too.” You and Rinder and others who assisted were terriffic in this battle. As thanks she has agreed to remain silent and shun her supporters. Wow just Wow.

  30. LO: Thank you!

  31. Marty,

    By the way, great theme song linked on your post In case anyone missed it, here it is:

    You’re a good man Charlie Brown.

  32. Miscavigeisafraidofsam: Thank you!

  33. As an aside, the definition of “Church Parties” in the agreement is pretty amazing. I am a Church Party, as is Mike Rinder, Marty Rathbun, anyone who has ever been a parishioner of the church. So, they are enjoined from hanging out not only with Independents, but church members as well, since Mr. D and the Droids are actively antagonistic to us Church Parties.

    Pretty nuts.

  34. Marty,

    I must admit, I was dismayed after reading that Wayne and Debbie had settled with the Church by once again giving up their rights.

    However, after recalling a series of correspondences and legal filings between the Church’s and Baumgarten’s attorneys (published on the Village Voice blog late February) it occurred to me that possibly Debbie & Wayne didn’t sell out after all.

    Summary of the Village Voice post:

    Two days following Debbie’s riveting testimony in the Bexar County Courtroom, Debbie and Wayne filed a counter suit and sent seven pages of interrogatory questions to be answered by the Church in the discovery process. I thought, “The Church will never truthfully answer”; unfortunately, I was right.

    At any rate, thanks to Debbie and the Village Voice those questions are etched into cyber space for all to see and hopefully think for themselves.

    In an attempt to settle, Ray Jeffrey sent a settlement offer to the Church’s attorney on Feb 20th, whereby Debbie and Wayne offered to pay back the $100,000 they took when they signed the NDA’s in exchange for the Church voiding the 2007 agreements. Shortly after getting word of Debbie’s scheduled ABC Nightline Interview, their settlement offer was rejected and Spencer noted that the Church was moving for summary Judgment.

    The Village Voice documented a series of letters sent by the Church’s attorney, George Spencer to Debbie and Wayne’s attorney, Ray Jeffrey from Feb 25th – 27th, complaining about Debbie’s posting’s on Marty’s site: an “Open Letter to My Friends” and threatening to hold any conspirators, aides or abettors legally responsible:

    “We remind you and the Defendants that our client [Church of Scientology International Flag Service Organization, Inc.] intends to hold Defendants and anyone who conspired with Defendants, or aids and abets them, is [sic] legally responsible for each and every breach including each breach after the filing of this suit.

    We respectfully demand that you advise your clients to cease their breaches in order to avoid further damage.” – George Spencer

    Spencer further demanded of the defendants, “preserve the names of donors and amounts donated” and that Jeffrey disclose, in writing, all of the documents and all of the information disclosed to his office by Mr. Rathbun and Mr.Rinder.

    I realize all of that legal correspondence could have just been an attorney’s pissing match full of idle threats; but, it sounded like anyone involved in the independent movement or in support of Debbie and Wayne were potentially at risk if the court ruled in favor of the Church and ordered them to produce records.

    Despite how much it may look like they just “sold out” or “got worn down” – given the vast amount of money that the Church has available in its “war chest” to fight the battle – I think Debbie and Wayne weren’t willing to take the risk of jeopardizing the anonymity or livelihood of the supporter’s they had pledged to protect.

    In my opinion, Debbie and Wayne won. She stood up; spoke up, was heard and her story will continue to reverberate through out the world. Now, Miscavige is a seething wreck.

    Although I am saddened that Debbie allowed the Church to put her muzzle back on; I’m grateful that her testimony lives on – as does our ability to speak out. Looking at the bigger picture, I think that Debbie’s and Wayne’s actions epitomize the code of honor.


    Thank you for creating and keeping this blog going and thank both you and Mike for tirelessly sticking your necks out to expose the truth. Actually, I want to thank everyone who contributes to independent movement.

    We are winning.


  35. Dizzy Mizz Lizzy

    The Oracle: “You are very shortly here going to see someone of major value and importance flipping into the Independent movement. Stay tuned, this is going to get better any minute. This next person coming out is seriously going to kick these matters of the church into fifth gear of this qual evolution.” – WOW! Can´t wait! I´ll be sure to stay tuned!

    • thinkforyourself2009

      Dizzy Mizz Lizzy – Looking forward to finding out who the next player is..although we have our suspicions..we’ll just have to wait and see :)

  36. Dizzy Mizz Lizzy

    Marty Rathbun: “There are ripple effects created by Debbie´s email and court testimony that are being cultivated into waves that will make the first four months of 2012 look like child´s play.” – Too much exitement! If the church is about to fall apart maybe Debbie was wise to take the money after all.

    • Agreement with Dizzy mizz Lizzy,
      Debbie and Wayne opened doors that they deserve credit.
      I dont believe in the Hollywood Epic where Evil triumphs over Good
      Mr. Rathbun is True Grit and a real OT.

  37. Good practice, great flow. Awesome result. Cheapeau Mr. Rathbun.


  38. Random Stranger


    1) She shall be confined for five hours per day to a trash can, fed left-over uneaten RPF slop and must hold a sign that says, “I’m nothing”, while David Miscavige’s laundry water is poured over her head during the face-slapping and finger-bending Sea Org new recruit training sessions.

    2) Must have her tongue removed, vocal cords severed, fingers cut off, eyes gouged out and is to have a squirrel branded on her forehead.

    3) Must dye her hair the color of the day, according to the whims and dictates of COB at any given time.

    4) Must lick each and every one of DM’s and TC’s motorcycles, twice.

    5) Must perform as the ‘recalcitrant executive’ in a training video for new recruits on how to properly bend fingers and slap faces.

    6) Must change her name to DB Cook.

    7) Must disconnect from everything, twice.

    8) Must eat 50 eggs, twice.

    9) Must confess to the following:

    a) The Pearl Harbor invasion
    b) Sinking of the Titanic
    c) Mishandling Charles Manson
    d) Wasting all the church’s money, twice
    e) Kidnapping of the Lindberg Baby
    f) Destroying L. Ron Hubbard
    g) Attempted assassination of COB
    h) Shoplifting
    i) Bank robbery
    j) Murder
    k) Twin Towers attacks
    l) Jim Jones atrocities
    m) Failing to salute COB
    n) Looking at Tom Cruise
    o) Spearheading the JFK assassination
    p) Lying about COB
    q) Polluting China
    r) The Snow White caper
    s) Iran’s nuclear program
    t) Bad music on the radio
    u) Global warming
    v) The Wall Street melt-down
    w) A typo in one of the new Basic Books
    x) Arthur Hubbard’s disinterest
    y) Malcolm X’s death
    z) Tom Cruise flipping out

    10) Must slap, kick and punch herself, bend her own fingers back to the point of demonstrable and significant pain, throw herself violently to the ground and choke herself daily, with video compliance reports to COB.

  39. None of this smacks as legal. I want to
    know everything that being covered up.
    Either by boatloads of money behind closed doors or
    having an Everest of dirt for Blackmail,doesnt matter,an Injuction
    would be concealling criminal acts.
    Torture is still Torture especially if you cannot talk about it
    because a court orders so. Nazi Germany had this in the 1930’s
    and it didnt work out so well for the German People.

  40. Marty,
    Keep what I sent for the future when it is needed to defend a REAL Indie, inside and out.
    Can’t say I understand what took place and I’m not going to waste my time trying. In future when the puzzle pieces arrive it will be good enough.
    No mystery glue here….

  41. Let’s not get too hung up on the outcome of the Debbie Cook case. It was to be expected. DM was never going to let Debbie blab on. Through sheer stupidity, he allowed her to speak out and then he had to exert damage control. As I said in a previous post, by suing Debbie, the sorry sod initiated a butterfly effect that he will never be able to stop. So let’s take a win and move on.

    I just received Issue 53 of “International Scientology News”, all gloss and no content, 110 pages (!) of drivel and sickening “PR”. Must cost a fortune to send these things out. This issue is about the birthday game event and pushes DM’s latest scam, the LRH “biography” encyclopedia. Of course, it’s also about “unprecedented global expansion”, useless unverifiable “statistics” and how brilliant our great leader is. But besides being an exercise in self-glorification, it also gives a few interesting facts that anyone who isn’t looking will probably miss.

    “Every Six Minutes of Every Day Someone on the Planet Starts a Basics Course.” (Page 104)

    Sounds pretty impressive, huh? Well, let’s do the math (assuming the figure is true). One person every 6 minutes, that’s 10 people per hour, or 240 per day. We multiply this by 365 days and we get 87,600. Now most people study several basic books. Let’s say they study an average of 4 basic books per year. We divide 87,600 by 4 and we get approximatively 22,000.

    Where are the millions of Scientologists?

    And does this include bodies in the shop (in the course rooms) AND extension courses? It doesn’t say.

    Page 108, we learn that every 20 minutes, a scientologist somewhere begins an extension course and another completes one. So, that’s 3 starts and 3 comps an hour. (Is the person completing a course immediately starting a new course? It doesn’t say.) So, that’s 72 starts and comps per 24-hour day. We multiply this by 365 and get 26,200 starts and comps per year. Again, assuming that a person will do an average of 4 books a year, we get 6550 (who are probably included in the 22,000 above anyway.)

    Where are the millions of Scientologists?

    Let’s take a look at Flag’s stats page 100.

    “35 Clears in one month – highest ever including 6 Clears in a single day.”

    Now, were the 35 Clears in one month an exception (an affluence)? It doesn’t say. What is Flag’s average monthly stat of Clears? Let’s say (generously) that they make 25 Clears each month. That’s 300 Clears in one year. Is that what they call EXPANSION? Aren’t we supposed to have 10,000 people on Solo NOTs ASAP? Even if the combined AOs produce they same number as Flag, let’s say another 300 Clears, that’s 600 Clears produced across the planet every year. That’s a ridiculous number. It’ll take at least 10 to 15 years to have 10,000 people on Solo NOTs. That is, if the Clears produced aren’t de-cleared later on in the middle of their OT levels.

    Is that what they call expansion?

    The fact that DM and his minions are actually publishing these numbers just goes to show how stupid and arrogant they are. Not only are they digging their own graves, they’re handing us the shovels. Idiots.

    • LMAO It’s because they don’t have anymore people on board that can think and say “Mr.” Miscaviage at the same time. :)))))))

    • >Thetabop – LMAO It’s because they don’t have anymore people on board that can think and say “Mr.” Miscaviage at the same time. I enjoyed your post. Thanks :D

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